On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 21:29 -0500, Mark H. Harris wrote:
I agree... but I have to say that Novell/SuSE is learning a valuable lesson here. Never let pointy head managers push your product out the door before its ready... bad plan... bad manager, bad.
I disagree. At some point, you've gotta just push something out-the-door. SuSE made some changes in a few key details in 10.1 -- not expected in a revision of the same major version -- and they've been hit by the integration issues. It happens. It's unavoidable. Red Hat dropped the whole revisioning approach as of Red Hat Linux 9, and hasn't bothered with Fedora Core. As much as I've screamed about this (as it confusing things), the reality is that even Red Hat has to change things in a revision and can't always wait on major versions. SuSE is in the same boat, even though they are sticking with the revision approach. The reality is that SuSE Linux 10.0 and 10.1 are the same major version in ABI and other details, but there were a few things that did change for various reasons.
UBuntu is doing great... and that without a GUI installer!
Please don't "distro piss" on another list. Don't complain about a distro, then turn around and promote another. SuSE Linux 10.1 is getting excellent reviews on many merits.
YaST is a SuSE distinctive which (in my opinion) SuSE cannt afford to screw up.
Actually, SuSE Linux 10.1 is getting kudos on integration of SmartPM. At least as a replacement for YOU.
It is always way better to get it right (full regression testing) than push it out too fast... users have some reasonably high expectations... and please... don't even think of telling them that the high expectation for open and free is *too high* just because its open and free... its *reasonably high* because open and free should also be *well done* just *because*., and especially because its Novell.
At some point, you need to change things, and that causes integration issues. Novell can integration and regression test all they want -- but they are _still_ limited to what systems they have under test. And that's only a _fraction_ of what end-users have. Both Novell and Red Hat have an "enterprise" release based on every 2-4 revisions of the faster moving projects, namely SuSE and Fedora. Both Novell and Red Hat integration and regression test both SuSE Linux and Fedora Core, respectively, extensively -- but newer things break once they are exposed to a much greater diversity in release. It's easy for _other_ distros to sit back on versions and let Novell and Red Hat integrate newer projects, features and capabilities. Furthermore, Novell and Red Hat don't always have the same focus and interest as other distros. So while you might enjoy Ubuntu, don't let it lead you to criticize and critique Novell-SuSE. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com