Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (3767 mails)

[Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@xxxxxxx>]

Hi,

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Viras wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 26. Februar 2006 23:58 schrieb Eberhard Moenkeberg:
> > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Wolfgang Koller wrote:

> > > As maybe some of you I was at the FOSDEM too. I hade the pleasure to meet
> > > the openSUSE staff and can just say that they are at least as friendly as
> > > they are over IRC :). But now enough of the honey, here are some
> > > conclusions to the things I heard at the FOSDEM:
> > >
> > > .) Forums: The never ending story. At the FOSDEM it was announced that
> > > there will be an official forum (I hope I can say that here, but as you
> > > said it in public at the FOSDEM I assume it is ready to be heard by
> > > anyone).
> >
> > Did "they"? Who did it? The future official full-time moderators, or some
> > of our childs which still have to learn thinking by walking and falling
> > onto the nose?
>
> Well they said that they of course want the community to be part of it.
> Actually I'm glad that there is finally a decision, and we will see how it
> works out. It is more important that we all work together on bringing our
> communities closer together than arguing about who has the best community or
> who hasn't.

Let's see what "officially" will get stated here.
Unfortunately I can't find the audio recordings of the FOSDEM sessions 
yet, and I guess the openSUSE team members which were at FOSDEM will need 
more than one night to get rid of the bad consequences of drinking belgian 
so-called beer.

> > > Although I'm not too happy with that decision I can somehow understand
> > > it, at least it will bring the discussion to a rest (and IMO there
> > > wouldn't have been a solution everyone is happy with anyway). The only
> > > thing I do not really like is that you told us to host a discussion at
> > > our board (suselinuxsupport.de) but then suddenly decided that there
> > > will be web-forums - next time maybe tell us straight-forward what is
> > > planned :). Anyway that's it from me on topic forums.

I was not involved in such a decision, and I have always tried to clearly 
state that it would not be in my sense.

We will find out what it is in essence once the core team members have 
cured theitr belgian-so-called-beer ease, and if it proofs to be a coup 
of a minority, each single member of this minority has to take the burdon 
he has voted for. If they fail (I'm sure they will), the future role of 
the existing forums will gain more importance within openSUSE.

> > I bet this was a lonely coup of some of our fellows who think that they
> > are 100% able to configure a forum software. Maybe we should really throw
> > them into the cold water they have filled in - if they have.
>
> I don't think it was like an easy decision for them, during the talks with
> them I had the feeling that it wasn't that easy for them either. I mean I see
> their point that they want something like a more close web-community, but on
> the other hand I see the point that they can't "bless" one community to be
> the official one. And of course I also see the point that no existing
> community want to give up their work.

Let's see what these ominous deciders are worth if their bodies get 
exposed to the real world to fulfill themselves what they have voted for.
I bet they won't even stand their own picture. Belgian beer is an evil 
drug, you know.

> > > .) Houghi's XML-Yast repository idea: Unfortunately you weren't there
> > > today in the evening when I wanted to talk with you. I think this is
> > > actually a great idea, and even though the openSUSE staff is a bit
> > > worried about legal issues I think this could be easily done using a
> > > YaST module (yes I heard the YaST module tutorial too :)). I think the
> > > best way to make this easy to distribute is to let a community member do
> > > it and then just include it. The argument that it might be abused for
> > > including repositories with illegal content is nonsene IMO - just
> > > because it CAN be abused it isn't illegal, because else you wouldn't be
> > > able to include webbrowser too, since those can be used for downloading
> > > illegal software too :). For those who weren't there at the FOSDEM and
> > > have no clue what I'm talking about - don't worry houghi will setup a
> > > wiki page soon :).
> >
> > One should not expose his kitchen knifes to the children, but keep the
> > children out of the kitchen. ;-))
> >
> > > .) Build-Service: I think the build service is definately a great idea .
> > > I was really impressed by what it can do so far - but yet there is more
> > > to come :). For me as a software developer this will definately help to
> > > provide more up to date RPMs for various distributions. Here is my only
> > > comment: keep up the great work and gimme an account to start producing
> > > RPMs :).
> >
> > As I understand it, it will be only a build service, not a hosting
> > service. Hosting happens at ftp.gwdg.de currently, and that shall continue
> > and grow.
>
> I see - well then I will just constantly bother you for hosting my
> packages :).

Come on, let's start tonight.

    ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-viras/
   http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-viras/
  rsync://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-viras/

is created; just give me an rsync access to fill it. ;-))

Cheers -e
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Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@xxxxxxx, em@xxxxxxx)