OK, last version I was looking right at them and didn't see them. I have the purchased version (Amazon finally shipped). It came with the "startup" book, but nothing else. (and yes, I remember the high static to noise on this for v10 and do not want to start it back up) Is the only book the "reference" PDF? I remember one of my last versions had one for "users" and one for "admin" or something like that. Did they just change the names? I'm still having issues with Netatalk, and setting up printers. I remember there being something about having to set a password for the printers...I need to print the books out. And why the h*ll isn't there a GUI for Netatalk like SAMBA? (yea, we still run a few mac OS9 boxes here. "Appletalk" is needed. -- Thanks, George ``One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know,``''Animal Crackers,'' 1930.