I would suggest that this entire thread end and the board return to what it is
supposed to be, to request assistance with SuSE Linux.
There are so many discrepancies which exist in the statements from both sides in
this thread it is getting rather silly. Unless we can sit down in a room and sanely
discuss what is being said by each person and then list the specific items, this
thread will just keep running in circles. We would have to agree on what OS
holes exists and what are application specific holes.
This would also include sitting down with an identical box and setting it up with
two separate hard disks, one with Windows and one with SuSE Linux. This
would not be a dual boot machine since Windows is much more demanding in
how it installs than Linux and may cause problems with the Linux installation, but
would be two separate hard drives, one installed for Windows, setup and then
removed and then the Linux drive installed and setup (or vice versa, I do not
care). We would go through the various services which are running in each OS
and attempt to reach some sort of concensus on what is equal and what is not.
Then we would swap the two hard drives in and out and compare performance.
Both boot and application. This would include installing the correct QT libraries
for performance as well as other libraries. All security patches should be applied
so that we are comparing performance for the best security available at that time.
And we would attempt to install equivalent GUI packages, no more and no less.
Jim
02/17/02 12:51:46 PM, Ben Rosenberg
* Christopher John Shaker (cjshaker@shaker-net.com) [020217 09:35]: ->As far as security holes, read the CERT announcements. ->There are tons of security holes in the Linux tools, too. ->
Could we all get it through our heads that the holes are holes in pkgs shipped with both UNIX and Linux distributions. They are not holes in the Linux kernel...but holes suffered across the board.
If WuFTPD has a hole on AIX it will have the same hole on SuSE as it has on Solaris as it has on FreeBSD.
Windows..all the holes reported for Windows are on Windows for Windows..it's special (Mr. Rogers Voice).
So..if SuSE, Redhat and Mandrake report holes in WuFTPD..it's one hole not three holes. It can't be three when it's the same exploit. Also, you can go to any security site that isn't NTBugtraq or some WinCentric site and count the bugs yourself if you do it properly and see that Windows has so many more exploits and holes then Unix software does.
Please do not say LiNUX has the hole unless it's a kernel exploit..say that blah blah has an exploit and lets leave it there.
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