It's not so fortunate here in Singapore, all the limited/unlimited ADSL (except ATM service, I have one also for home, but only 30 hrs free per month) are DHCP and including cable. The ATM ADSL is unable to work under Linux although I've tried for more than a year, giving up soon. I am also thinking on getting one of the Linksys router, instead of using an old P133 to do the job (save some electricity, save the earth, I guess)? Is the Linksys router okay for home use? it cost about S$300 (about USD170) here, the 4 ports model. Dennis/sg I have seen that tooo an also they are refered to as dsl modems also around here by the isp's. I am fortunate to have an isp that does not use pppoe at home but have to use it at work with swbell. i used a different isp at home though. an get a static ip for free . that wud cost me another 40 to 50 bucks with swbell to go to the extended service. for now im using the linksys router til i get my box stable an get ipmasq setup an working on it. jack