I just got my unlimited broadband ADSL access today, but I'm having some problems which beyond my reach. The modem: Aztech DSL900, Ethernet ADSL model, so no problem on this. The provider only support winblow (full range, from 95~Me, 2000) and no Linux. :( I setup the whole 'thing' under winblow, okay, it's a go! Problems: 1. when under 7.1 with two 8139 NIC, I set eth0 to local IP and eth1 to DHCP and connect to the modem (same PC and same setup under winblow), but when bootup, the eth1 is dead (unable to obtain IP)? 2. under root, I used ifconfig eth1 up and bring the card up, but still no IP? any solution or method to bring up the card? 3. when I anyhow play with the eth1 (up and down, reboot, etc), there was once I saw something like ppp0 with the IP from the ISP? and when I eth1 up, I managed to connect to the world, but the Kinternet icon don't work (can't disconnect). It even stay alive after I switched from root to user??? 4. After happy for a while, I decided to reboot try to figure out what's happening, and that's it, the whole 'thing' is down and unable to bring it up (the ppp0 no longer appear?) even I ifconfig eth1 up. Please help: a. how to keep the eth alive which bootup? did I missed anything? b. where is this ppp0 and how to bring it up? Please help me, I want my Linux box to talk to the world, not the winblow box! TIA. Dennis/sg
Dennis wrote:
I just got my unlimited broadband ADSL access today, but I'm having some problems which beyond my reach.
The modem: Aztech DSL900, Ethernet ADSL model, so no problem on this.
The provider only support winblow (full range, from 95~Me, 2000) and no Linux. :(
I setup the whole 'thing' under winblow, okay, it's a go!
Problems:
1. when under 7.1 with two 8139 NIC, I set eth0 to local IP and eth1 to DHCP and connect to the modem (same PC and same setup under winblow), but when bootup, the eth1 is dead (unable to obtain IP)?
2. under root, I used ifconfig eth1 up and bring the card up, but still no IP? any solution or method to bring up the card?
3. when I anyhow play with the eth1 (up and down, reboot, etc), there was once I saw something like ppp0 with the IP from the ISP? and when I eth1 up, I managed to connect to the world, but the Kinternet icon don't work (can't disconnect). It even stay alive after I switched from root to user???
4. After happy for a while, I decided to reboot try to figure out what's happening, and that's it, the whole 'thing' is down and unable to bring it up (the ppp0 no longer appear?) even I ifconfig eth1 up.
Please help:
a. how to keep the eth alive which bootup? did I missed anything?
b. where is this ppp0 and how to bring it up?
Please help me, I want my Linux box to talk to the world, not the winblow box!
option a) I use yast2 adsl setup option b) rr-pppoe install via yast then as root run adsl-setup also in yast turn START_ADSL=yes so your machine connects as it boots HTH -- Togan Muftuoglu
I have used suggestion (a) and ADSL is setup but unable to point to eth1 as it's inactive due to the DHCP fail during boot time. Only eth0 (pointing to the switch is active). Sorry, don't understand the 'rr-pppoe'? but in rc.conf, the START_ADSL is set to yes. I realised that under 2.4.0, the ppp is missing when using ifconfig but it's there if I boot up in 2.2.18? am I right to assume that the ppp is not compiled into 2.4.0? I tried again this morning using 2.2.18 (root) and manual up the eth1 (via ifconfig eth1 up), I can connect to the internet even if I switched to user mode, but NO CONTROL on the Kinternet icon and unable to disconnect (can only do ifconfig eth1 down in root). More help on how to make the eth1 alive (waiting for DHCP allocation from the ISP) will be appreciated. Dennis/sg
option a) I use yast2 adsl setup option b) rr-pppoe install via yast then as root run adsl-setup also in yast turn START_ADSL=yes so your machine connects as it boots
More help on how to make the eth1 alive (waiting for DHCP allocation from the ISP) will be appreciated.
Dennis/sg
The best thing is to assign a private ip address like 192.168.254.x on this network interface, or to disable the interface in yast. But this can give some routing problems. m vr gr vosbergF
I can't disable the NIC or assign local IP as eth1 is connected to the ADSL modem and the ISP uses DHCP for connection. : ( eth0 is connected to the small home LAN. : ) Any other suggestion? Dennis/sg
More help on how to make the eth1 alive (waiting for DHCP allocation from the ISP) will be appreciated.
Dennis/sg
The best thing is to assign a private ip address like 192.168.254.x on this network interface, or to disable the interface in yast. But this can give some routing problems.
On Tuesday 10 April 2001 14:04, you wrote:
I can't disable the NIC or assign local IP as eth1 is connected to the ADSL modem and the ISP uses DHCP for connection. : (
What exactly kind of equipment is your "ADSL-modem"? - Strictly speaking the use of the term "modem" in conjunction with ADSL is misleading: Modem=MOdulate-DEModulate and basically is used when some stage of the signal is analog (e.g. between the serial port and the device) Since your setup involves two nic's the proper term to use would be "ADSL-adaptor", which then brings me to this: a: the device is some sort of PPPoE adaptor, in which case I have little help to offer :-( b: the device is something similar to a router, in which case I have this help to offer: If your device acts as a router, and your ISP tells you to use DHCP, then it is, in fact, your router that acts as a DHCP-server as well. If this is the case then what you may try is the following: Start up your Wintendo (if I read previous message correct you have it working with DHCP?). Start>run>winipcfg>'ok' This will tell you some stuff about which IP-adress/netmask the router assings your PC. Make a note of this. Shut down Wintendo. Boot up Linux. Using your method of choice (yast) to assign eht1 an IP-adress in the same subnet as what you got under Wintendo. Restart your network, and you *should* be up...:-) This is more or less what I did to get my Linux-box working with the Cisco-router that my ISP provided. Because even though your router acts as a DHCP-server, it doesn't care if your machine has a static IP-adress... Hope this helps! ;-) Jon Clausen
eth0 is connected to the small home LAN. : )
Any other suggestion? Dennis/sg
More help on how to make the eth1 alive (waiting for DHCP allocation
from
the ISP) will be appreciated.
Dennis/sg
The best thing is to assign a private ip address like 192.168.254.x on this network interface, or to disable the interface in yast. But this can give some routing problems.
Hi Jon and all the help from others, I've got it working now. : ) and this mail is sent from my Linux box.
What exactly kind of equipment is your "ADSL-modem"? - Strictly speaking the use of the term "modem" in conjunction with ADSL is misleading: Modem=MOdulate-DEModulate and basically is used when some stage of the signal is analog (e.g. between the serial port and the device)
Sorry for my ignorance on using the term 'modem', but I really dunno what should I call it, but it's not important now as long as it work, and under Linux. : )
Since your setup involves two nic's the proper term to use would be "ADSL-adaptor", which then brings me to this:
a: the device is some sort of PPPoE adaptor, in which case I have little help to offer :-(
No, the 'thing' only need one NIC, I connected it to eth1 since eth0 is connected to the LAN.
b: the device is something similar to a router, in which case I have this help to offer:
If your device acts as a router, and your ISP tells you to use DHCP, then it is, in fact, your router that acts as a DHCP-server as well. If this is the case then what you may try is the following:
I am trying to setup the route so that the rest of the PCs can share the connection. Any quick solution?
Start up your Wintendo (if I read previous message correct you have it working with DHCP?).
Start>run>winipcfg>'ok'
This will tell you some stuff about which IP-adress/netmask the router assings your PC. Make a note of this.
Shut down Wintendo. Boot up Linux. Using your method of choice (yast) to assign eht1 an IP-adress in the same subnet as what you got under Wintendo. Restart your network, and you *should* be up...:-)
This is more or less what I did to get my Linux-box working with the Cisco-router that my ISP provided.
Because even though your router acts as a DHCP-server, it doesn't care if your machine has a static IP-adress...
Somehow, I tried the other suggestion by giving eth1 a local IP 10.10.0.1/24 and using Yast2 to set the ADSL to point to eth1, it's done, and works. !
Hope this helps! ;-)
Yes, of course. Dennis/sg ---------------------------------------------------------- Sent from Kmail, SuSE 7.1
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 02:04:54PM +0200, Jon Clausen wrote:
On Tuesday 10 April 2001 14:04, you wrote:
I can't disable the NIC or assign local IP as eth1 is connected to the ADSL modem and the ISP uses DHCP for connection. : (
What exactly kind of equipment is your "ADSL-modem"? - Strictly speaking the use of the term "modem" in conjunction with ADSL is misleading: Modem=MOdulate-DEModulate and basically is used when some stage of the signal
MoDeM -> Modulator/DeModulator ( the appliance, not the function )
is analog (e.g. between the serial port and the device)
Analog serial port ? WHUT ? I don't know on what planet you studied physics and ee, but just exactly what kind of signal do you think it is that travels along the copper wire from the ADSL modem and to the DANA ? If your guess is digital, then I recommend you take BOE101 again ( basics of electronics ) read: http://www.adsl.com/adsl_tutorial.html
Since your setup involves two nic's the proper term to use would be "ADSL-adaptor", which then brings me to this:
Adaptor ? What ? The modem ? Eee... wrong. The computer ? Wrong again. The modem is and will be a modem. The computer can be spoken of as a firewall or a router, but hardly as an adapter.
a: the device is some sort of PPPoE adaptor, in which case I have little help to offer :-(
In which case you shouldn't have spoken in the first place.
b: the device is something similar to a router, in which case I have this help to offer:
Which it probably is not, or he probably would have said so, which brings us to "a)" [snip]
eth0 is connected to the small home LAN. : )
Dennis: I have not done a pppoe configuration, but perhaps you may find my pptp configuration page somewhat helpful. It's here: http://www.tosmann.org/en/Linux/adsl/index.html Also, remember that you may only have one default route. If there is one assigned before dhclient is started, it _may_ fault, and not set up the eth1. If two default routes are set, you have no guarantee of a working route. I like this list for most things that surface here, but I think both we who know some stuff, and those on a quest of knowledge, can well be witheout the wisdom of the besserwissers that clearly don't have a clue, and wouldn't bother buying one, even if they were given a ¢. These were my 2¢. Hope I didn't offend too many.... -tosi -- ______ /---------------------------------------\ \ | Þór Sigurðsson | Tor Sigurdsson | t | | Netmaður | Network Specialist | o | |-----------------------------------------| s | | tosi@rhi.hi.is | i | \---------------------------------------/_____/
On Tuesday 10 April 2001 21:57, you wrote: <snip>
In which case you shouldn't have spoken in the first place.
Yeah, you're right. I wanted to help, was in a hurry, got it wrong, sorry...
b: the device is something similar to a router, in which case I have this help to offer:
Which it probably is not, or he probably would have said so, which brings us to "a)"
guess so...
[snip]
I like this list for most things that surface here, but I think both we who know some stuff, and those on a quest of knowledge, can well be witheout the wisdom of the besserwissers that clearly don't have a clue, and wouldn't bother buying one, even if they were given a ¢.
These were my 2¢. Hope I didn't offend too many....
-tosi
Probably just me. Personally I see myself more in category two, than three - but to suggest that I don't like to learn is downright wrong. Whatever... Jon Clausen
What exactly kind of equipment is your "ADSL-modem"? - Strictly speaking
Hey man, cool down man... I've got the 'thing' to work but not the 'suppose way' I think. The Kinternet icon can't connect or disconnect the line, it's permanently connected when the workstation is up? nevermind, since the access is unlimited. : ) the
use of the term "modem" in conjunction with ADSL is misleading: Modem=MOdulate-DEModulate and basically is used when some stage of the signal
MoDeM -> Modulator/DeModulator ( the appliance, not the function )
Dennis: I have not done a pppoe configuration, but perhaps you may find my
The word 'modem' does appear on the casing of that 'thing'. pptp configuration
page somewhat helpful. It's here:
http://www.tosmann.org/en/Linux/adsl/index.html
Also, remember that you may only have one default route. If there
is one assigned before
dhclient is started, it _may_ fault, and not set up the eth1. If
two default routes are
set, you have no guarantee of a working route.
eth0 (internal IP, to LAN) does not have a default route, eth1 is to the modem with IP: 10.10.0.1/24 with gw: 10.10.0.0. I tried to use DHCP but it is unable to stay alive during bootup, there is a ppp0 up with DHCP IP from the ISP after bootup, and I believed eth1 somehow is communicating with ppp0 to establish the connection?
I like this list for most things that surface here, but I think both we who know some stuff, and those on a quest of knowledge, can well be witheout the wisdom of the besserwissers that clearly don't have a clue, and wouldn't bother buying one, even if they were given a ¢.
These were my 2¢. Hope I didn't offend too many.... Don't say that man, this list is useful for people who really want to learn and solve problems, with the contribution from people who willing to help, we are better everyday, right? Have a nice day ahead. Dennis/sg
I have seen that tooo an also they are refered to as dsl modems also around here by the isp's. I am fortunate to have an isp that does not use pppoe at home but have to use it at work with swbell. i used a different isp at home though. an get a static ip for free . that wud cost me another 40 to 50 bucks with swbell to go to the extended service. for now im using the linksys router til i get my box stable an get ipmasq setup an working on it. jack
The word 'modem' does appear on the casing of that 'thing'.
Dennis: I have not done a pppoe configuration, but perhaps you may find my pptp configuration page somewhat helpful. It's here: http://www.tosmann.org/en/Linux/adsl/index.html Also, remember that you may only have one default route. If there is one assigned before dhclient is started, it _may_ fault, and not set up the eth1. If two default routes are set, you have no guarantee of a working route.
eth0 (internal IP, to LAN) does not have a default route, eth1 is to the modem with IP: 10.10.0.1/24 with gw: 10.10.0.0. I tried to use DHCP but it is unable to stay alive during bootup, there is a ppp0 up with DHCP IP from the ISP after bootup, and I believed eth1 somehow is communicating with ppp0 to establish the connection?
I like this list for most things that surface here, but I think both we who know some stuff, and those on a quest of knowledge, can well be witheout the wisdom of the besserwissers that clearly don't have a clue, and wouldn't bother buying one, even if they were given a ¢.
These were my 2¢. Hope I didn't offend too many....
Don't say that man, this list is useful for people who really want to learn and solve problems, with the contribution from people who willing to help, we are better everyday, right?
Have a nice day ahead.
Dennis/sg
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It's not so fortunate here in Singapore, all the limited/unlimited ADSL (except ATM service, I have one also for home, but only 30 hrs free per month) are DHCP and including cable. The ATM ADSL is unable to work under Linux although I've tried for more than a year, giving up soon. I am also thinking on getting one of the Linksys router, instead of using an old P133 to do the job (save some electricity, save the earth, I guess)? Is the Linksys router okay for home use? it cost about S$300 (about USD170) here, the 4 ports model. Dennis/sg I have seen that tooo an also they are refered to as dsl modems also around here by the isp's. I am fortunate to have an isp that does not use pppoe at home but have to use it at work with swbell. i used a different isp at home though. an get a static ip for free . that wud cost me another 40 to 50 bucks with swbell to go to the extended service. for now im using the linksys router til i get my box stable an get ipmasq setup an working on it. jack
On Wednesday 11 April 2001 01:53 am, Dennis wrote:
It's not so fortunate here in Singapore, all the limited/unlimited ADSL (except ATM service, I have one also for home, but only 30 hrs free per month) are DHCP and including cable. The ATM ADSL is unable to work under Linux although I've tried for more than a year, giving up soon.
I am also thinking on getting one of the Linksys router, instead of using an old P133 to do the job (save some electricity, save the earth, I guess)?
Is the Linksys router okay for home use? it cost about S$300 (about USD170) here, the 4 ports model.
Dennis/sg
I've got one of those Linksys router. I have the single port one and that feeds into my hub. I must say that that thing is sweet. Not a problem with it and its been handling all my PPPoE based traffic without any problem. I highly recommend that router to anyone especially for home use. -Peter -- "Friends don't let friends use Windows"
I finally got my set (BEFSR41, 4 ports) on Easter day, it cost me S$270 (~USD150). : ) It's really working fine except I've a small problem on connecting the pppoe cause I switch on both the ADSL model and the Linksys router at the same time (connect to the same power point) and the pppoe unable to deal after the diagnostic state at time? but if I reset the router later or switch on the modem first, it's fine. I will recommend the router as well, it save me lots of time for other purpose, thanks for all who recommended this toy. : ) Dennis/sg
It's not so fortunate here in Singapore, all the limited/unlimited ADSL (except ATM service, I have one also for home, but only 30 hrs free per month) are DHCP and including cable. The ATM ADSL is unable to work under Linux although I've tried for more than a year, giving up soon.
I am also thinking on getting one of the Linksys router, instead of using an old P133 to do the job (save some electricity, save the earth, I guess)?
Is the Linksys router okay for home use? it cost about S$300 (about USD170) here, the 4 ports model.
Dennis/sg
I've got one of those Linksys router. I have the single port one and that feeds into my hub. I must say that that thing is sweet. Not a problem with it and its been handling all my PPPoE based traffic without any problem. I highly recommend that router to anyone especially for home use.
-Peter
-- "Friends don't let friends use Windows"
Jon, I have a Cisco 675 router acting as a DHCP server and I did exactly what you did to get it working, initally. Works great. JLK On Tuesday 10 April 2001 07:04, Jon Clausen wrote:
On Tuesday 10 April 2001 14:04, you wrote:
I can't disable the NIC or assign local IP as eth1 is connected to the ADSL modem and the ISP uses DHCP for connection. : (
What exactly kind of equipment is your "ADSL-modem"? - Strictly speaking the use of the term "modem" in conjunction with ADSL is misleading: Modem=MOdulate-DEModulate and basically is used when some stage of the signal is analog (e.g. between the serial port and the device)
Since your setup involves two nic's the proper term to use would be "ADSL-adaptor", which then brings me to this:
a: the device is some sort of PPPoE adaptor, in which case I have little help to offer :-(
b: the device is something similar to a router, in which case I have this help to offer:
If your device acts as a router, and your ISP tells you to use DHCP, then it is, in fact, your router that acts as a DHCP-server as well. If this is the case then what you may try is the following:
Start up your Wintendo (if I read previous message correct you have it working with DHCP?).
Start>run>winipcfg>'ok'
This will tell you some stuff about which IP-adress/netmask the router assings your PC. Make a note of this.
Shut down Wintendo. Boot up Linux. Using your method of choice (yast) to assign eht1 an IP-adress in the same subnet as what you got under Wintendo. Restart your network, and you *should* be up...:-)
This is more or less what I did to get my Linux-box working with the Cisco-router that my ISP provided.
Because even though your router acts as a DHCP-server, it doesn't care if your machine has a static IP-adress...
Hope this helps! ;-)
Jon Clausen
eth0 is connected to the small home LAN. : )
Any other suggestion? Dennis/sg
More help on how to make the eth1 alive (waiting for DHCP allocation
from
the ISP) will be appreciated.
Dennis/sg
The best thing is to assign a private ip address like 192.168.254.x on this network interface, or to disable the interface in yast. But this can give some routing problems.
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