Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (2407 mails)

[heroron@xxxxxxxxx (Ron Heron)]

Well, the intent of the email seems to have been lost
somewhere in pride and ego land, so here is another
approach:

1)  Thanks for the information on the 2.2.16.  I did
not know the stock kernel was unusable, and I swear I
didn't see the 2.2.16 on the ftp site.  Next time I
will be more careful looking before i go outside the
Suse realm.  

2)  Since I am having so many problems with 6.4,
perhaps I should reinstall?  Can this be done without
wiping out everything?

3)  For all the little problems.  If I need it, I'll
fix it.  If I don't need it, I'll delete it.  I was
just frustrated with so much stuff not working,
especially kbill!  If it's just a bug, of course I'll
file a bug report.

4)  I'll file a bug report on the XFree 86 problem I
had.  Has anyone else filed a report on the Suse XFree
RPM's?

In general, the point was that I have had alot of
probs with this release.  6.2 served me quite well for
a year now.  I was wondering if there was a concept
issue at hand.  I'll get 6.4 working, believe me on
that.  

Oh, and as for the useless statement.  Where I come
from, if I start having more and more trouble reports
on product c than I did on previous products, I look
twice at product c.  It's a simple QC concept.

Thanks, Michael, and good luck on your Oracle project.

Ron

--- Michael Hasenstein <mha@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ron Heron wrote:
> > 
> > Michael, you obviously didn't take this mail for
> what
> > it was intended.  Please read my comments to
> yours.  I
> > was looking for positive feedback.
> 
> Me too.
> 
> 
> > > I cannot agree.
> > Personal observation.  I had fewer problems on
> older
> > releases.
> 
> Ah, you see? Not very useful statement. Not even an
> example was given.
> 
> 
> > I was specifically addressing upgrades.  Problems
> are
> > problems.  I post problems and responses to this
> list.
> >  It is for that.  I was addressing the fact that
> it
> > seems to me, that the SuSE upgrades are
> unreliable.
> 
> And your point is? People will always have problems.
> Try to make just
> ONE program so usefriendly that there will be no
> questions at all. I'm
> trying this right now for the ORacle 8.1.6
> installation, and the longer
> I think about every single step the more desperate I
> get. I cannot do
> it. Someone's gonna cry for help whatever I do. So I
> still consider your
> statement useless. I promise you'll find lots of
> problem reports here
> for all time this list exists.
> 
> 
> > I have had no problems working with kernels on
> past
> > SuSE distros, or on other distros.  Thanks, but I
> do
> > know what I am doing.
> 
> Then you will have no problems getting it to work,
> period. I'm the
> example that shows this is true. I DO use SuSE
> Linux, you know...
> 
> 
> > > b) Correct, the stock 2.2.16 is next to
> unusable.
> > > This is why the SuSE
> > > 2.2.16 is a 2.2.16 + several MB of patches, for
> both
> > > stability and
> > > features.
> > Where is the SuSE 2.2.16?
> 
> How about
>
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/6.4/kernel-2.2.16/
> 
> 
> > > ??? Thanks for the detailed bug report.
> > Again, a general statement.  I will post details
> when
> > I start squishing the problems.  But, to answer
> the
> > sarcasm, why didn't SuSE include mpg123 if there
> are
> > at least three packages that require it?
> 
> Which package requires it? Did you file a bug
> report? I've had no
> problems listening to any mp3's, don't know which
> package yo used.
> 
> By the way, mpg123 is in 7.0, don't know about 6.4.
> 
> 
> > It wasn't pretty :)  But - did you read what I
> said
> > here?  It was on the SuSE mailing list where I
> learned
> > that Yast or Sax2 was wiping out the .Xsession
> file
> > from the root account.  I replaced that with a
> backup,
> > and problem solved.  Not a big deal.  The big deal
> was
> > that the X would not even start using the SuSE
> > upgrade.
> 
> Did you file a bug report (feedback@xxxxxxx)? Of
> course it's bad.
> 
> 
> > Now, as a suse employee, do you have anything
> > constructive to offer?  I am trying to learn
> linux,
> 
> I have a lot of constructive help to offer, even
> setting up somebodys
> Oracle server for free (plus data migration) on a
> box 10000 km away over
> the Internet on the weekend. But, I demand a
> constructive contribution
> from you as well. You get what you give, at least
> from me. Other people
> will always help you, regardless of what you do, and
> I guess that's
> better for business.
> 
> 
> > and come up with a nice, stable box.  I also use a
> > test box for playing around on.  Your message says
> > "F-u, you're a moron, if you want our software,
> don't
> > mess with it, and don't expect it to be our fault
> when
> > it doesn't work"  Is that the way you meant it to
> > read?
> 
> I simple read from your email, without knowing you.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Michael Hasenstein
> http://www.suse.de/~mha/
> SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg (Germany)
> SuSE Inc., Oakland, California (US)
> 
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