Well, the intent of the email seems to have been lost
somewhere in pride and ego land, so here is another
approach:
1) Thanks for the information on the 2.2.16. I did
not know the stock kernel was unusable, and I swear I
didn't see the 2.2.16 on the ftp site. Next time I
will be more careful looking before i go outside the
Suse realm.
2) Since I am having so many problems with 6.4,
perhaps I should reinstall? Can this be done without
wiping out everything?
3) For all the little problems. If I need it, I'll
fix it. If I don't need it, I'll delete it. I was
just frustrated with so much stuff not working,
especially kbill! If it's just a bug, of course I'll
file a bug report.
4) I'll file a bug report on the XFree 86 problem I
had. Has anyone else filed a report on the Suse XFree
RPM's?
In general, the point was that I have had alot of
probs with this release. 6.2 served me quite well for
a year now. I was wondering if there was a concept
issue at hand. I'll get 6.4 working, believe me on
that.
Oh, and as for the useless statement. Where I come
from, if I start having more and more trouble reports
on product c than I did on previous products, I look
twice at product c. It's a simple QC concept.
Thanks, Michael, and good luck on your Oracle project.
Ron
--- Michael Hasenstein
Ron Heron wrote:
Michael, you obviously didn't take this mail for
what
it was intended. Please read my comments to yours. I was looking for positive feedback.
Me too.
I cannot agree. Personal observation. I had fewer problems on older releases.
Ah, you see? Not very useful statement. Not even an example was given.
I was specifically addressing upgrades. Problems are problems. I post problems and responses to this list. It is for that. I was addressing the fact that it seems to me, that the SuSE upgrades are unreliable.
And your point is? People will always have problems. Try to make just ONE program so usefriendly that there will be no questions at all. I'm trying this right now for the ORacle 8.1.6 installation, and the longer I think about every single step the more desperate I get. I cannot do it. Someone's gonna cry for help whatever I do. So I still consider your statement useless. I promise you'll find lots of problem reports here for all time this list exists.
I have had no problems working with kernels on past SuSE distros, or on other distros. Thanks, but I do know what I am doing.
Then you will have no problems getting it to work, period. I'm the example that shows this is true. I DO use SuSE Linux, you know...
b) Correct, the stock 2.2.16 is next to unusable. This is why the SuSE 2.2.16 is a 2.2.16 + several MB of patches, for both stability and features. Where is the SuSE 2.2.16?
How about
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/6.4/kernel-2.2.16/
??? Thanks for the detailed bug report. Again, a general statement. I will post details when I start squishing the problems. But, to answer the sarcasm, why didn't SuSE include mpg123 if there are at least three packages that require it?
Which package requires it? Did you file a bug report? I've had no problems listening to any mp3's, don't know which package yo used.
By the way, mpg123 is in 7.0, don't know about 6.4.
It wasn't pretty :) But - did you read what I said here? It was on the SuSE mailing list where I learned that Yast or Sax2 was wiping out the .Xsession file from the root account. I replaced that with a backup, and problem solved. Not a big deal. The big deal was that the X would not even start using the SuSE upgrade.
Did you file a bug report (feedback@suse.de)? Of course it's bad.
Now, as a suse employee, do you have anything constructive to offer? I am trying to learn linux,
I have a lot of constructive help to offer, even setting up somebodys Oracle server for free (plus data migration) on a box 10000 km away over the Internet on the weekend. But, I demand a constructive contribution from you as well. You get what you give, at least from me. Other people will always help you, regardless of what you do, and I guess that's better for business.
and come up with a nice, stable box. I also use a test box for playing around on. Your message says "F-u, you're a moron, if you want our software, don't mess with it, and don't expect it to be our fault when it doesn't work" Is that the way you meant it to read?
I simple read from your email, without knowing you.
-- Michael Hasenstein http://www.suse.de/~mha/ SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg (Germany) SuSE Inc., Oakland, California (US)
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