On 13-Dec-00 Thomas Michael Wanka wrote:
Hi,
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I do not care too much about the "hacker tools directive" as it will be hard to define that at court. A "hacker tool" is nothing much but a sequence standard utilities and the use makes it a hacker tool, so it must be prooven that I tried to "hack" someone for it to become a hacker tool (like a citchen knive that is only a weapon when I use it a s a weapon).
I see your point but the european council is up to lay the power of developing security applications in the hands of industrial conglomerates "certified" in a special way, maybe according to some nebulous euro-standards. It would not be too hard for the ec to persuade the eu members to replace their own cybercrime legislation with such a catalogue of standard actions given the fear that is spread of a vague mass of ghastly criminals commonly entitled "hackers" (yeah, I know about the hacker-cracker thingy so keep your flames down ;).
I am more worried about the access to log files I had to provide, and a mechanism that I cannot realise that someone accesses these files. And that I had to provide (and pay for) the bandwidth to access them. That basically implies, that I had no longer control about my traffic and may not even monitor it and in the end, I was not allowed to have access to my logfiles myself!
I do not think that collecting voices against that will do any good. To me they will have some kind of such regulation and the only chance to overcome it ist to *not* obey to such regulations. [...]
I disagree that going together and stating our opinions is useless. At least we
should show *some* reaction. All of us security oriented admins and developers
would suffer should this convention become reality.
I for myself would rather quit my job and burn all my computers than giving
some official sniff-snaff unrestricted and covered access to our web farm or
customer networks. I totally agree that a regulation only is effective if the
majority acts accordingly...
I think we will have a lot of phun in the future... :-/
Boris