On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 05:01:41AM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2012-02-13 at 22:50 +0100, Lars Müller wrote:
Unfortunately you have given null arguments why there is a need for yet another list. Sorry, you're ignoring arguments and don't present your own.
I see the contrary: null arguments why not needed, and ignoring arguments pro.
Please read my mail¹ again before you reply again. And try to follow the argumentation. There had been numbers of the usage. And with the same approach we're able to count the amount of traffic caused by evergreen on this list. This is a simple and proofen approach. Evergreen will get more attention on this list than by a dedicated fresh one.
to the list. These are approximately 46.42 postings per months. Or roughly 1.5 per day.
Because it has little visibility. A mail list here would be more popular. People see a mail list outside and think that the project is not serious, that it is not an openSUSE project.
Adding more lists doesn't help the project. See my previous mail¹. And try to follow the quite simple argumentation.
And your oposition to it, with a suse address, proves the point.
Which point? And as written before the domain part of the address I'm using doesn't matter at all. Arguments matter. Nothing else. And with my last mail I've given several why a new list is a bad, bad, very bad idea and doesn't help the openSUSE project nor the evergreen approach. Read the mail¹ _slowly_ again. Also check what's happening in the openSUSE arch area. We've seen this mail http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-amd64/2011-10/msg00001.html and I hope we soon will have only _one_ openSUSE-arch list. They demonstrated that they're willing to learn. Well for 1.5 mails per day - yes, that's the rate at the list Wolfgang started - we need a dedicated list instead of starting with an existing one and see what's going on. Strange minds. No, bad mind. Cause this doesn't promote the project. This is bad to the project due to the already before stressed fragmentation of the communication! I'm not sure what's driving you guys? Is it to harm the project? Is it to get your own toy? Is it to stress at the end 'I had been right! Yippi, yah, yeah!'? If you need this: Yes, you're all right, I'm wrong and stupid. But let us start with an existing list at lists.openSUSE.org. It's to the benefit of the project. And if you proof me wrong after 6 month I'm happy to bake waffles for all of you at the next openSUSE Conference. Another idea. Is this habit driven by the goal to be able to tell people they've written to the wrong list? This would really, really be crazy. This is all a bit to much contradicting for me. Isn't our all goal or shouldn't it be to push the project? But all you're doing is the opposite. You split the development in more and more small groups and communication is getting harder and harer. This makes openSUSE an unattractive place. And I know how the majority of develeopers react. They go away. Is that what you try to achieve? I'm going to get a next coffee to hopefully feel better again afterwards. Thanks, Lars ¹ http://lists.openSUSE.org/opensuse-project/2012-02/msg00131.html -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany