Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (205 mails)

[Nelson Marques <nmo.marques@xxxxxxxxx>]

2011/11/24 Sankar P <psankar@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> > > Chrome project already gives 32-bit and 64-bit dev and beta builds for
> > openSUSE (and fedora). We can just work with those chrome packagers instead
> > of building it ourselves. I see no benefit in building chrome by ourselves.
> > If we are paranoid about chrome recording few things that we do, we should
> > ideally use a different browser, like Firefox
> >
> > I hope I never see you in the future trying to promote people to get
> > enrolled with openSUSE or crying about the lack of it... Because such
> > attitudes just make contributors run away... Raymond (and many others)
> > work and efforts should be rewarded, and situations like the one you
> > suggest doesn't sound like a reward.
> >
> > I've been noticing openSUSE is closing all the channels for free
> > contributors... If you SUSE/Novell/Attachmate or whoever is pushing
> > the hidden agenda's want to block contributors, then just state what
> > you are trying to accomplish, because most of what I ear is play
> > bullshit and everyone is loosing credibility (one example: the current
> > board and the Foundation to be done during this year).
>
> Take a deep breath :-)
>
> Right now,
>
> -> openSUSE community is spending effort to give chromium for openSUSE

"openSUSE community" == Raymond (??)

Is this correct? I mean, what's raymond stance towards this? This
seems a huge falacy. Might work from the 'engineering' point of view,
but from a motivational perspective, I have some doubts.

> -> Chrome community is spending effort to give Chrome for openSUSE

That's maybe a project management requirement from Chrome (to give a
offer for most popular Linux platforms)... But, they never really
cared/fixed the libpng12 issue, which somehow challenges your
statement. If they were really spending efforts into openSUSE, they
would have a Requires on the rpm for libpng12.

Furthermore, do you believe it's fair to compare a product from Google
(which has a whole team and project management behind) with a
volunteer contribution like Raymond's?

I think we're running into way too much falacies.



> -> There are no patches added by openSUSE to customize chromium
> -> Chrome development is going on at a rapid pace

Sure there's no patches, but there's probably hundreds of hours of
work on it from contributors. Let's just trash them because we find
out that Chrome is a better option ?

> So, instead of working on two different places to make Chrome available for 
> *openSUSE* users, we should focus on just one place so that it will be more 
> efficient. Much like, two people digging a water-well in one place instead of 
> two different places.

Chrome != Chromium ?

Now why should you or anyone else impose to a volunteer contributor
what or what they should or shouldn't do with their contributions? Now
we have everyone enforcing project management decisions ? Are we
community Linux or corporate linux?

Please enlighten me... You are a part of the Marketing team, so you
know the answers better than I do.


> Also, I do not intend to block Raymond. I am merely recommending him to work 
> with the Chrome community who is already giving RPMs for openSUSE. It is just 
> a proposal and he can happily reject it as he wish.

You use Chrome or Chromium? Sounds fishy... to me it looks like you
are trying to get in openSUSE the stuff you use in disfavor of a
competitor product that you don't use but that others might use...

Are the Chrome/Chromium Licenses the same? Which one should we favor?

Sankar, you are a member of the Marketing Team, I expect you or any
other marketing contributor to be aware of the motivational factors
and their impact in present or future volunteer contributor...
Marketing isn't about posting news or making buzzes throught the
world... it goes far beyond it, it would be interesting that people
actually consider what they are supposed to consider and not only
follow a narrow perspective and claim they are marketeers... How would
I know that ?


PS: we're just discussing hopefully in a constructive way and
confronting ideas, this is not a personal attack, I hope that is
clear.





> I understand that you may be unhappy with the board/foundation related 
> happenings in openSUSE, but trust me, my mail has nothing related to any of 
> it. Read through my previous mails once again with an clear mindset and see 
> if you find anything other than trying to get best Chrome experience on 
> openSUSE.

This is not related to you, it meant in a general perspective...
People want to do a lot of stuff but in the end nothing happens
(happened to me also with GNOME:Ayatana).

> Have Fun :-)
>
> Sankar
>
> P.S: I have been using Chrome from Google during 11.4 and even now on my 12.1 
> box without any issues. So I am not really sure what the problem you referred 
> to was. Even if there was a problem, I am sure the chromium community will be 
> happy to fix it, for the benefit of the openSUSE users.



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