Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (292 mails)

[Jos Poortvliet <jos@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 2011-05-10 Per wrote:
> Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > On Monday 09 May 2011 21:12:56 Per Jessen wrote:
> > > Greg KH wrote:
> > > > On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 08:40:24PM +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
> > > > > [sigh too]
> > > > >
> > > > > Please don't tell me what to do. I shall pretend otherwise
> > > > > unless those definitions are culture- and language-neutral.
> > > >
> > > > Is the posted list of "Harassment includes" not defined in such
> > > > a manner?  If not, how could it be made better?
> > >
> > > The posted list includes the word "inappropriate", that's where it
> > > gets de-railed, because that is 100% culture- and
> > > language-specific (aka in
> > > the ear of the beholder).  Jokes that are entirely appropriate in
> > > Scandinavia will be inappropriate in Germany, cause a pub-fight in
> > > Britain and imprisonment in Turkey. (just a theoretical example,
> > > no offence to anyone intended).
> > >
> > > The key issue in what Jos wrote (presumably borrowed from
> > > elsewhere?) is that it way too long, which leads to people
> > > thinking it is or should be
> > > precise.  Rather than trying to define everything in minute
> > > detail, I think we should accept that it's not possible and only
> > > have a short and concise statement or policy, preferably
> > > referring to our guiding principles as jdd and Jos have already
> > > mentioned.
> > >
> > > Why not simply state that the openSUSE Guiding Principles also
> > > apply to the openSUSE conference?  (as Jos did in the intro).
> >
> > I wanted to add a bit more info and examples and build upon
> > something that is defined and discussed by many people already
> > instead of re-inventing the wheel.
>
> Which is completely reasonable, although in my opinion unnecessary.
>
> > In any case, as the FAQ stated clearly, your comments on 'but it is
> > not precise' are completely irrelevant. What is an offence IS in
> > the ear/eye of the beholder. And that is how it is, period. We
> > (including you) have to accept that - it's how people work.
>
> Hey, I was the one who pointed that out to begin with.
>
> > We can go into the deepest philosophy you want, but I'm a
> > psychologist and for me - what people experience is real. Period.
> > Nothing else is relevant.
>
> To me, your tone is way inappropriate now.

In that case, I'm sorry, I did not intend to offend you.