On 09/01/10 04:35, Basil Chupin wrote:
I gather from this that after reading that lengthy and detailed explanation by Tejas you have been left totally confused or possibly even more confused than before? :-) You are not alone.
I thought it was pretty clear. If you are still confused i'll say it again: Stick with KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop all the time, you will be slightly out of date for a few months a year but will be OK the rest of the time - or if even that is too hard - Stick with the version of KDE that came on your openSUSE disk and stop complaining What is the repository that will always have the most recent stable KDE? is not a reasonable question to ask because it is always changing. That is a side-effect of the way the KDE team works, and as far as I can see there is no easy alternatives that wouldn't make their life more difficult. To try and answer the specific questions (confusion about the future of KDE:43), which I am always happy to do: You are correct that the *openSUSE* KDE packaging team _had_ decided that, in order of happening 0) Since the upstream KDE release team had decided there would be no more 4.3.x releases 1) 4.3.4 would be put into KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop (this is happening as we speak hopefully) 2) 4.3.4 would then be released as an online update for openSUSE 11.2 (still happening) 3) KDE:43 (which currently contains 4.3.4) would then have no reason to exist and disappear. (the step under discussion) 4) Life would move on and we would all be happy The spanner in the works is that there is now a rumour that the upstream KDE release team (not the SUSE packaging KDE team) has changed their mind and may release a KDE 4.3.5. This of course borks up the plans to get rid of KDE:43, because now it does have a reason to exist - it can hold 4.3.5. 4.3.5 cannot go into KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop because that has already moved on to 4.4betas/rc. This is all that is going on. It is undecided as to whether we a) Skip packaging 4.3.5 (if there is one) and get rid of KDE:43 as originally planned -or- b) Keep KDE:43 and put 4.3.5 in it. That is all that needs to be decided. Hardly worth getting worked up over. After all this is sorted out, KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop will not be updated till the next openSUSE release (11.3) when it will contain some version of 4.4.x. KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop will continue to be updated until 11.3's version freeze and so is the repository to use if you want 4.4 ASAP. If you've got more specific questions, ask them with a minimum of extra complaints please. --- The remainder of this email is feeding the troll --- On 09/01/10 06:59, Basil Chupin wrote:
Now, just for starters, why not simply call this repo *DEVELOPMENT*, which term everybody understands, rather than 'FACTORY'?!
Ah, now here are other pieces of confusion.... "Backports" and "Community" :-) .
"Backports": what the heck is the real difference - except in the minds of developers - between "backports" and "upgrades" to an application?
Oh my gosh...I had forgotten about the "Playground" bullshit :'( . Who thought up this term? Was it some American advertising agency?
Arguing semantics (FACTORY is too confusing? seriously? FWIW Factory has ALWAYS meant openSUSE Development version, in ALL openSUSE projects. Gnome:Factory, X11:common:Factory, mozilla:factory) is just getting silly at this point. The repositories are named what they are. If you don't understand the names don't use them. Backport is a standard term across all Linux distributions. It means taking a single newer application or fix and using it in an older system. There is no ambiguity there. And Playground is untested unreleased applications. If you are advanced enough to choose openSUSE as your distro and sign up to the mailing list and still want the latest KDE version at all times the LEAST you could do is learn them before complaining. openSUSE is a release based distro and the OBS is a development tool for the releases. openSUSE is not a rolling-release based distro where always the latest packages are available in the main repository. If you want that, sorry to lose users but you'll have to go elsewhere (gentoo? arch?). Other release-based distributions work the same way, in Ubuntu the only way to upgrade packages is to install a mess of PPAs. In fact to upgrade major packages like KDE in a release-based distro never used to be even possible in the days before OBS (and launchpad ppas for *buntu). But nevertheless, the development OBS repositories are *not* for the average joe users! How many times can people say this! The average joe users are meant to use the released version that came on their DVD! Only advanced users even have the desire to "always keep up to date". As a HANDY SIDE-EFFECT of the way openSUSE development is now done, thanks to the magic of the openSUSE Build System, users can actually also install the latest packages the developers are working on. (* There is no requirement to do this! If it's too complicated, don't do it! *) But the developers still have control - the goal is to get the next release out the door with everything working, and the repositories are organized in the best way to achieve that goal. This isn't going to change. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org