On 09/06/2015 09:58 PM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 14:09:30 +0200, Simon Lees wrote:
On 09/06/2015 06:35 PM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Hi all, (sorry sent this from the wrong account the first time)
Was just testing openSUSE:Leap milestone 2 and I ran into the following issue, I wanted to use enlightenment as my DE so I did a minimal X install loaded up yast after the first boot and installed enlightenment. I then rebooted and was presented with xdm which has no way to change the DE other then editing /etc/sysconfig/windowmanager, so rather then doing this I tried installing another lightweight DM. First I tried sddm which claims to be light weight, but currently pulls in all of plasma so instead I installed lightdm. After rebooting xdm still came up so i had to go edit /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager.
From my point of view having to edit a file in /etc/sysconfig is not user friendly so this should be fixed, there are 2 ways that I could think of doing this.
1. When installing a new Display Manager or maybe even Window Manager the files in /etc/sysconfig automatically get updated (Some users probably won't want this, also significant effort) 2. Modify the Minimal X11 Pattern to install lightdm or another lightweight dm that allows the selection of window managers at run time. (Lightdm doesn't have any significant dependencies, I guess this would probably break some openQA tests though). But you chose minimal X. This already implies that you don't need the extra DEs. In that sense, xdm is the perfect choice. So I'm against
On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 09:37:00 +0200, Simon Lees wrote: the second option.
Takashi The problem is minimal X could be one of several minimal window managers, so often its used to setup prior to installing the minimal DE/window manager that you really want, granted most people doing this are probably capable of editing config files.
How often does it happen, except for Enlightment installation? In other words, isn't it the better direction to allow proper Enlightment installation from the beginning? From a 5 minute search of the 13.2 repo's the following window managers were available with no menu option i3, twm, openbox, WindowMaker, fvwm, mate. There could be more I only looked for 5 minutes, there are also a bunch of others on obs that aren’t officially part of the release such as lxqt. I'm not sure how many of these are in frequent use, personally I use twm in VM's alot.
The other point here is lightdm isn't really much heavier then xdm but provides more features. Does it work without gtk or qt? Currently it requires one or the other but not both (users choice), maybe that does make it to heavy for some, but there are probably not to many people running X11, that don't have atleast 1 Qt or gtk app.
Takashi
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