On Tuesday 12 June 2012 19:37:46 Bryen M Yunashko wrote:
On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 20:30 +0200, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
You don't need an account on Studio/Gallery to download.
Sadly, you do. One wonders how much more adoption of openSUSE could be had if Gallery never had the login requirement.
I talked to someone in #susestudio a few months back about this, and was told SUSE decided to have the login because it wanted to keep track of what downloading were downloading. That's a bit scary if true, but its their system, their decision.
Meh, didn't notice. The download button showed up, I just assumed I could click it and start the download :D That'd have to be fixed for sure. <snip>
This would represent a fundamental shift in openSUSE's philosophy, in my opinion. Are we prepared for this?
I personally love that we have a partnership with SUSE Studio. It is a great product and we use it frequently in the community and we wholeheartedly promote SUSE Studio in our talks everywhere.
However, SUSE Studio is not an openSUSE-umbrella'ed project. It is a SUSE project. Moreover, it is not 100% open source last I heard. At openSUSE, we take pride in declaring that everything we do under the openSUSE Project umbrella is 100% open source and usable by anyone, even if they are not using openSUSE.
We use Github - even moved from the Free Software Gitorious over to Github because it's so much better! We're a practical community and I like it that way... So I don't see a fundamental problem.
If we made Studio the very first thing people have to encounter when they wish to start using openSUSE, then we are contradicting our own claim right out of the gate.
Well, being the first thing is a bad impression, yes. Then again, I believe our forums are proprietary software too - and also something quite visible. I don't think it's a black and white discussion - we should (be able to) ask for some consessions from the Studio team if we decide we need that here and there.
Nothing against Studio, mind you. Just that we need to remain true to our fundamental goals as a Project or take the time to re-define it.
Depends on what we integrate and what we don't. But I wouldn't require the whole platform to be open if we just redirect people there to download stuff (provided it doesn't ask for a login, of course!). The opportunity to clone the image we provide and edit it is something people have now too, it's just more complicated. We'd not be taking anything away or making currently-free things more closed for anyone. We'd only be building on and taking advantage of what our ecosystem provides. /Jos
Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Project