On 2012/04/06 12:15 (GMT-0400) Brian K. White composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/04/06 15:19 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
Even bank sites use flash for forms and data!
If my bank required Flash, it wouldn't be my bank any more, and I'd let it know why in no uncertain terms, without using the word "Linux".
What if it was the only local credit union you qualified to access?
Telephone, if local was truly requisite.
What if you hate Bank of America and Chase etc more than you hate Flash?
FNBO, HSBC, ING, TD Ameritrade, eTrade, State Farm, Wells Fargo, Regions, Republic, SunTrust, yada yada yada? Even without Flash banks are expert at creating miserable to use sites. :-( http://fm.no-ip.com/Inet/shame.html
The choice to use a credit union vs any bank, even a small local one (which just ends up getting bought by a bigger nastier one some day) is vastly more important to your life than whether that small credit union's small IT staff inconveniently used flash on it's web site, even if they used it in some way that you have to care about instead of just a banner.
If truly a local institution, no web site needed. However, if truly local, it's probably small, and capable of being explained to about the horrors of an inaccessible or requiring of non-FOSS software web site. Local, except for those who don't use the web, is passe. Local is about people and service. That requires walking in, conversing, and shaking hands, not web site bling.
Silly discussion. Practically every restaurant web site not only uses flash but is almost 100% flash. They are restaurant. Not IT companies. They don't even know they have a problem, they are busy being good at pasta not good at web sites, and that's _entirely_ the way I'd like it, much as a better web site would be nice for me, I care more that they are good chefs.
I don't eat at restaurants. I don't use the web for entertainment's sake. The limited size of a computer screen is incapable of a large enough quantity of visual imagery to be anything other than bling. I do use the web for locating information. When I want to be entertained I turn on the TV, which is big enough to be entertaining. Bling obfuscates information, so of the 6 web browsers I run 24/7, only one has Flash installed, and that one gets used the least in the interest of minimizing the frustrations of inaccessibility. 4 of the other 5 are HTML5 capable, and I haven't yet figured out a simple way to avoid the bling that gets through in those.
So, when I hit google to find some place to go tonight, I want their site to work so I can at least see their address and hours and phone number. If I had the attitude that the use of flash on their web site mattered _at all_ then I'd miss out on their excellent food and atmosphere and lake side view and other patrons etc etc etc...
Any business that seriously wants maximum value from its web site maximizes accessibility. Few that have done so include accessible Flash, which is a virtual oxymoron. A business whose web site can't provide basic information without Flash doesn't expect to draw those who depend on accessibility or iPads as customers.
There are other restaurants, but choosing a restaurant by the quality of their web site is stupid.
[OT] A web site (a business, probably a proprietorship or corporation, one thing, it) -> its web site. No "they".
Same for the auto mechanic. Same for the picture framer. Same for everything.
Choosing a seamstress, mechanic, roofer, physician, attorney or CPA based upon web site bling is stupid.
It's really quite stupid to let a thing like that get in the way of your real life.
A11Y. With Flash, inaccessibility is king. Web site inaccessibility gets in the way daily for too many people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_accessibility https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78414 (filed nearly 11 years ago) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org