Lukas Ocilka schreef:
Pascal Bleser napsal(a):
Rajko M. wrote: | On Thursday 10 April 2008 09:28:56 pm Bryen wrote: |> On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 20:19 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: | [...] (replying to Federico, Bryen and Rajko ;))
|>> What if instead we made that screen in the installer be something like: |>> What do you want your desktop to look like? |>> +------------+ +------------+ +------------+ |>> |GNOME screen| | KDE3 screen| | KDE4 screen| |>> | shot | | shot | | shot | |>> +------------+ +------------+ +------------+ |>> [Abort] [Continue] |>> |>> Those should be real screenshots of our stock blank desktop for each |>> desktop environment. Users will then be able to make a more informed |>> decision. | [...] |> I like Federico's idea, although I don't think it will be completely |> sufficient in giving a newbie user the best choice. So, to add to |> his proposal... | I like idea too. Taking that there is graphical time zone selection | this would be improvement in right direction.
Hmh.. not sure. I think it is a very good idea and as Rajko wrote, given we have a graphical TZ selector, we can have screenshots here as well.
I'm sure you know I've already done that during Hack Week last year :)
http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Installation/Desktop_Selection_Add-On The right combi should do it.. (m$ can suck an elf about this..;)
Those descriptions have to be politically correct but, of course, it should provide a pieces of information that also a newbie user is able to understand.
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The current solution (openSUSE 11.0 Alpha3/+) presents a list of *Systems* not *Desktops* as we can't call minimal system a desktop environment. All descriptions are taken from patterns which are hidden under those-system selections.
But: * ncurses installer: We still have the issue for the ncurses installer, although it is much less of a problem there as it is used a lot less frequently (do we have any idea how many people use the ncurses installer ?) Either experts or people who don't have a supported GPU... in both situations, a simple list in whatever order will do, and possibly even with a preselection of the "text pattern".
Ncurses is better for remote installation, Katarina might have more information on numbers.
* tiny screenshots I don't know how large the pictures may be, but I'm afraid they're going to be really small, as I suppose it must fit inside 800x600. I doubt that'll help users make a decision as it'll be so small... they won't be able to see anything. Instead of a screenshot of the whole display, how about a zoomed one that shows a bit of konqueror/nautilus with a few icons and such (e.g. something like [1]) ? The best solution would probably be the possibility of clicking on scaled down screenshots to zoom them in a full-screen viewer window, but that sounds like a YaST/YCP nightmare (does it ?). [1]http://konquefox.free.fr/images/screenshot_style_kde_big.png
Screenshot browser could be a solution :) ;) see above.
This looks fabulous! To get a real impression, makes the choice harder, ehrr more easy....
What about tooltips with system/desktop screenshots displayed OnMouseOver="ShowScreenshot('GNOME')" them? Just kidding ;)
The problem with 'just one screenshot' for every system/desktop selection is that a tiny/medium screenshot doesn't say anything and can be reconfigured later quite heavily. What attracts users eyes are mostly colors.
Yes, and not only that, they come to rest.. Become comfortable, this way we might get them even to read..!
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| Telling how much space each installation requires would be good anyway. | It can help people to see that difference is not that huge.
Absolutely.
Absolutely tricky :) I can't image a simple predicting method that wouldn't require running a solver for every single listed system as the size depends on that (And on selected installation repositories (Hint: Add-Ons used during installation, OSS, NON-OSS, Media).
Have a nice day Lukas
I would roughly calc on a fullgrown system, as the user doesn't want that the space gets too small too soon. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.25-rc8-12-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha3 KDE: 4.00.68 (KDE 4.0.68 >= 20080402) "release 6.4" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org