Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (824 mails)

[Andreas Vetter <vetter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

> >>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at  6:32 PM, Martin Schlander <suse@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Den Tuesday 18 September 2007 16:27:22 skrev Gregg Nicholas:
> >> > I reopened
> >> >  [Bug 264228] nspluginwrapper + java plugin problems
> >> >  [Bug 288750] Home bank issues with java+firefox on x86_64
> >> > to get a final decision. I know it's really late, but a 64bit system
> >> > without a working firefox/java combination is a blocker in my eyes.
> >> >
> >> I have to agree with Andreas Vetter.  Firefox/java/flash should simply
> >> work, without manual intervention, on any gui installation (even x86_64).
> >> In my opinion, the decision to go with only OSS solutions - even though
> >> they don't work right - is likely to push end-users toward other
> >> distributions.
> > 
> > As it can be seen from my bugreports that avetter reopened I share the 
> > opinion 
> > that 32-bit Firefox should be shipped. Especially since software.opensuse.org 
> > 
> > has no "warning" about downloading the x86_64 version.
> > 
> > However I don't think the decision has anything to do with ideology. When 
> > people install x86_64 they don't want 32-bit Firefox - they want to run full 
> > 64-bit so they can enjoy all the imaginatory performance improvements. Now we 
> > 
> > even have 64-bit OOo..
> > 
> > Flash works with nspluginwrapper with 64-bit Firefox - I don't know how many 
> > people actually come across java webapplets - personally I only need it for 
> > homebanking - but that of course is enough to make me install 32-bit 
> > Firefox - which I tested and "downgrading" ran without incident, except for 
> > me having to remove classpath-webplugin - and that issue will be fixed.
> 
> I agree completely: flash works flawless with the nspluginwrapper and 
> Java is one of the things I never need on a website (even my bank 
> webinterfaces don't use it anymore).

I agree, it's not very much used on newer webpages, but a lot of older 
stuff is in Java. Especially a lot of physics related material for our 
students is Java. 

Additionally a lot of web interfaces for hardware use Java (tape 
libraries, storage systems, uninteruptible power supplies, ...). 
 
> Also think about other impacts having a 32bit firefox imposes: I'm 
> maintaining packages of a not to be called by name Video Client, and we 
> offer a plugin for Firefox. Of course, when installing 64bit Video 
> Client, the 64bit plugin get's installed. Having a 32bit version of 
> Firefox forces the user also to 'downgrade' a lot of other applications.

Yes that's true, that's the reason I didn't use this plugin in older suse 
distros.

> I think such cases have to be clear for everybody: if you need Java and 
> you really can't live without it, go for 32bit. Yast/whatever tool and 
> the Documentation should offer an easy way for this. And then it should 
> clearly be noted that many other things might get broken. For those 
> users, a pure 32bit system might be better suitable then (or maybe a VM)



-- 
Andreas Vetter
Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie
Universitaet Wuerzburg              
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