Marcus, thank you for responding, however your approach brings us closer to acting like we want openSUSE to be bloatware. let me explain, in order to run any of the programs written to run under KDE we need to add KDEbase3 and all its trappings. put when we use the default configuration of Gnome it, as far as I remember, does not include any of the KDE specific underpinnings. I would like to keep it that way , I like the idea that openSUSE has been working towards a light default install and in the end I hope that ,with KIWI, we will be able to tell the disc mastering team to give us two disk1's each capable of building a run level5 environment ...you choose when you download d1gnome_10.x or d1kde_10.x . each running a nice little productivity environment ( the classic 5 apps) without user intervention at installation. Again thank you for all your work in general and your concern in this matter. -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District Novell CNE 3\4\5 CLE \ NCE in training. http://en.opensuse.org/education --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org