Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-boosters (113 mails)

[Henne Vogelsang <hvogel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 03/08/2010 03:49 PM, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> On Monday 08 of March 2010, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
> > Tried to get rid of some poisonous people on the mailinglists
>
>  And most likely failed, like all the previous attempts :(

Why do you think so? :) I actually have hope that i at least was able to
scare off one.

> How are actually currently the mailing lists handled? Is there 
> something more than just the netiquette wiki page and the (lack of, 
> often) goodwill of all participants to follow it?

There is the netiquette and for escalation the owners (which is
99.999999% me).

> I'm getting tired watching the dump the opensuse@ list is, it's not uncommon 
> for people to call each other names or do other kinds of things that are 
> clearly against the rules and make the lists a pain for people who would 
> actually like to use them for something useful (and I've seen a number of 
> complaints about that). Apparently just reason and goodwill do not work with 
> some people and there I really think some of these should be warned and then 
> kicked out if they are too stupid to act well.

As soon as i know about name calling i talk to people. If they still
can't behave i moderate them and if that fails too i kick them. The
later steps happen not so often and the initial step (people telling the
owner) not often enough.

> I'm not sure how to go exactly about this

I'm petty sure. opensuse@ is fubar'ed because there are not enough
friendly people that lead by example. The assholes have free reign
there, so everybody follows their lead. What it would need would be
around 10-15 more friendly people to turn this around. You know it's
like a bash or a club, if there are enough people partying then
everybody is. If there are enough people in a bad mood, everybody will be.

An escalation path like you describe is not helping this i fear, we
already have one. Maybe it needs better presentation, i don't know. Oh
and BTW we once had an intern analyzing this across the major distro
lists and it was always a core group of people who set the tone.

Henne

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