On 03/08/2010 03:49 PM, Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Monday 08 of March 2010, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Tried to get rid of some poisonous people on the mailinglists
And most likely failed, like all the previous attempts :(
Why do you think so? :) I actually have hope that i at least was able to scare off one.
How are actually currently the mailing lists handled? Is there something more than just the netiquette wiki page and the (lack of, often) goodwill of all participants to follow it?
There is the netiquette and for escalation the owners (which is 99.999999% me).
I'm getting tired watching the dump the opensuse@ list is, it's not uncommon for people to call each other names or do other kinds of things that are clearly against the rules and make the lists a pain for people who would actually like to use them for something useful (and I've seen a number of complaints about that). Apparently just reason and goodwill do not work with some people and there I really think some of these should be warned and then kicked out if they are too stupid to act well.
As soon as i know about name calling i talk to people. If they still can't behave i moderate them and if that fails too i kick them. The later steps happen not so often and the initial step (people telling the owner) not often enough.
I'm not sure how to go exactly about this
I'm petty sure. opensuse@ is fubar'ed because there are not enough friendly people that lead by example. The assholes have free reign there, so everybody follows their lead. What it would need would be around 10-15 more friendly people to turn this around. You know it's like a bash or a club, if there are enough people partying then everybody is. If there are enough people in a bad mood, everybody will be. An escalation path like you describe is not helping this i fear, we already have one. Maybe it needs better presentation, i don't know. Oh and BTW we once had an intern analyzing this across the major distro lists and it was always a core group of people who set the tone. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org