[yast-devel] New Installer: Sprint Review 2013-11-29
Generic ------- Most annoying bugs in openSUSE need solving. - RAID - needs Arvin - Translation issues - Ladislav (L#4) - Backup for Yast modules DE/CZ - needs the whole team - Open pull requests - automatically check (J#4) - report if they are inactive for too long (e-mail) Josef ----- Done: Initial network auto-setup, getting auto-location was postponed, remote storage (3/4 done) Tasks: #1 Fix DVD - bootloader / futils #2 Remote storage (FCoE, iSCSI, ...? all from one crossroad) #3 Control file cleanup #4 auto-check pull requests Martin ------ Done: sick Tasks: #1 Continue with porting to Qt5 Ladislav -------- Done: Wicked integration review (WIP), AutoYast testing (1/2) Blocked: AutoYast by Services Manager issue Tasks: #1 2nd stage for AutoYast (should work, test, verify, fix) #2 SCC plans / discussions #3 AutoYast - ask for missing parts #4 Translations issue in 13.1 #5 VERSION files vs .spec files - finish Michal ------ Done: sick Next: ... and will continue Lukas ----- Done: Got a UI proposal from Ken, will share some next version Tasks: #1 Test upgrade from 13.1 to "our Factory" using NI Jiri ---- Done: Default Bugzilla assignee WIP Blocked: SCC is blocked now Tasks: #1 Workflow summary (dialogs) #2 OEM images installation -- Lukas Ocilka, Yast TL, Cloud & Systems Management Department SUSE LINUX s.r.o., Praha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-12-02 15:51 (GMT+0100) Lukas Ocilka composed:
Lukas ----- Done: Got a UI proposal from Ken, will share some next version
Are there really people who believe any material change in UI is warranted? I find the openSUSE installer to be far and away the best operating system installer I've ever used. I struggle to think of how any of its basic elements or its overall design could be improved, other than making it easier for users to make all its text larger. WRT text size, I struggle with why developers are so insistent that users who need legible text must work so hard to have it. Those who encounter too big text normally will have no trouble with large text interfering with finding a way to make it less intrusive. Such is not the case for those who find it too small, who find it difficult or impossible to navigate into instructions to change it, entirely due to unnecessary legibility impediment provided by eagle-eyed developers. Variability in pixel density of devices has been expanding. It will continue to expand as display technology continues to evolve. One size cannot fit all. Excessive whitespace is a villain. Something does need to be done to enable user needs to be readily accommodated. Anaconda tried a massive redesign not long ago. It went from unimpressive to downright awful, where is remains. Please don't believe any UI that deviates more than a little from the current YaST would be good for users. What ain't broke don't need fixin'. If someone wants to fix something broken, find a way to keep the limited available freespace popup sequestered until such time as space falls short on a device that is relevant to the installation process. No one needs to be warned of a space shortage on a device where no software components will be installed, particularly if the device has not been selected for mounting at boot time, or hosts a non-native filesystem. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On 2.12.2013 19:40, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-12-02 15:51 (GMT+0100) Lukas Ocilka composed:
Lukas ----- Done: Got a UI proposal from Ken, will share some next version
Are there really people who believe any material change in UI is warranted? I find the openSUSE installer to be far and away the best operating system installer I've ever used. I struggle to think of how any of its basic elements or its overall design could be improved, other than making it easier for users to make all its text larger.
Thanks :) I've had a chat with our designed Kenneth Wimer and found out he's writing a blog post about his newly designed installer dialogs. He'll hopefully finish and publish it soon. I suggest to comment his blog post when it's done.
WRT text size, I struggle with why developers are so insistent that users who need legible text must work so hard to have it. Those who encounter too big text normally will have no trouble with large text interfering with finding a way to make it less intrusive. Such is not the case for those who find it too small, who find it difficult or impossible to navigate into instructions to change it, entirely due to unnecessary legibility impediment provided by eagle-eyed developers.
Variability in pixel density of devices has been expanding. It will continue to expand as display technology continues to evolve. One size cannot fit all. Excessive whitespace is a villain. Something does need to be done to enable user needs to be readily accommodated.
Anaconda tried a massive redesign not long ago. It went from unimpressive to downright awful, where is remains. Please don't believe any UI that deviates more than a little from the current YaST would be good for users. What ain't broke don't need fixin'.
If someone wants to fix something broken, find a way to keep the limited available freespace popup sequestered until such time as space falls short on a device that is relevant to the installation process. No one needs to be warned of a space shortage on a device where no software components will be installed, particularly if the device has not been selected for mounting at boot time, or hosts a non-native filesystem.
New Installer is mostly about removing unneeded steps. Some kind of redesign comes with every single openSUSE release anyway. Thanks Felix, I'll forward your comments to Ken. Bye Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Yast TL, Cloud & Systems Management Department SUSE LINUX s.r.o., Praha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
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