[opensuse-wiki] Collaboration with wiki.ubuntuusers.de?

Rupert Horstkötter

27 Oct 2009 27 Oct '09

10:10

Team, as most of you know: last friday, I interviewed Martin Gräßlin from ubuntuusers.de on IRC about their experiences with the maintainability of a sandboxing concept. They use such an approach successfully for their wiki and I was curious about some input. That said, today I got an email from ubuntuusers.de's march asking for collaboration between wiki.ubuntuusers.de and the openSUSE Wiki. Please see his email (and an english translation) below.

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Hallo Rupert, du hattest uns kontaktiert bzgl. unseres Wikis und dem Baustellenkozept. Hier können wir uns sehr gerne einmal im IRC mit den >Teams treffen. Vielleicht kann man auch weitere tiefergehende Verknüpfungen auf die Wege bringen. Ich fand die Idee nicht >schlecht ein allgemeineres Wiki zu schaffen - es gibt logischerweise Unterschiede bei der Installation und der Konfiguration - >jedoch ist die Beschreibung der Programme identisch. So kann man sich gegenseitig untersützen und entweder die Artikel von A >nach B kopieren mit einem Hinweis, dass er ursprünglich von XY stammt. Hier wäre es natürlich einfacher, wenn wir gemeinsame >Schnittstellen hätten - was z.B. den Aufbau der Artikel, Syntax, die Lizenz et cetera betrifft.

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Wir könnten zur Terminabsprache eine Umfrage bei Doodle starten, wenn ihr uns treffen wollt. Eine Kooperation wäre IMHO >machbar und eine gute Sache. :)

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LG march vom Wiki-Team

---english translation Rupert, you contacted us asking about our wiki and sandboxing concept. If you feel this appropriate we may meet on IRC with our respective teams at some point in time. Maybe we can discuss even further ways of collaboration-potential. We like the idea to profit from each other from a content perspective. Obviously there are differences in Installation and Configuration between Ubuntu and openSUSE but articles about the general use of applications may be just the same and can be utilized by both groups/communities. That way, we may collaborate by copying articles from A to B with a note that it is originated from Site XY. In that regard it may be valuable to have common ideas about e.g. structure, syntax, license etc. of articles. We may start a survey at Doodle to find an appropriate time/date for discussion with the teams on IRC. A collaboration would imho be achievable and a good thing. best, march, wiki team ---end english translation I'll reach out to march telling him that we'll discuss this collaboration-idea team-internal and come back to him once we have a team-opinion in place. I myself feel this as an opportunity we should consider. From my perspective he's right, that articles about the general usage of applications (like e.g. Thunderbird, Pidgin, etc.) may be easily adjustable and thus can be utilized by both communities. What do you think about it? Best, R -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter@googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

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Klaas Freitag

28 Oct 28 Oct

08:17

Am Dienstag 27 Oktober 2009 11:10:37 schrieb Rupert Horstkötter: Hi Rupert,

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as most of you know: last friday, I interviewed Martin Gräßlin from ubuntuusers.de on IRC about their experiences with the maintainability of a sandboxing concept. They use such an approach successfully for their wiki and I was curious about some input. That said, today I got an email from ubuntuusers.de's march asking for collaboration between wiki.ubuntuusers.de and the openSUSE Wiki. Please see his email (and an english translation) below.

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Hallo Rupert, du hattest uns kontaktiert bzgl. unseres Wikis und dem Baustellenkozept. Hier können wir uns sehr gerne einmal im IRC mit den >Teams treffen. Vielleicht kann man auch weitere tiefergehende Verknüpfungen auf die Wege bringen. Ich fand die Idee nicht >schlecht ein allgemeineres Wiki zu schaffen - es gibt logischerweise Unterschiede bei der Installation und der Konfiguration - >jedoch ist die Beschreibung der Programme identisch. So kann man sich gegenseitig untersützen und entweder die Artikel von A >nach B kopieren mit einem Hinweis, dass er ursprünglich von XY stammt. Hier wäre es natürlich einfacher, wenn wir gemeinsame >Schnittstellen hätten - was z.B. den Aufbau der Artikel, Syntax, die Lizenz et cetera betrifft.

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Wir könnten zur Terminabsprache eine Umfrage bei Doodle starten, wenn ihr uns treffen wollt. Eine Kooperation wäre IMHO >machbar und eine gute Sache. :)

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LG march vom Wiki-Team

---english translation Rupert, you contacted us asking about our wiki and sandboxing concept. If you feel this appropriate we may meet on IRC with our respective teams at some point in time. Maybe we can discuss even further ways of collaboration-potential. We like the idea to profit from each other from a content perspective. Obviously there are differences in Installation and Configuration between Ubuntu and openSUSE but articles about the general use of applications may be just the same and can be utilized by both groups/communities. That way, we may collaborate by copying articles from A to B with a note that it is originated from Site XY. In that regard it may be valuable to have common ideas about e.g. structure, syntax, license etc. of articles.

We may start a survey at Doodle to find an appropriate time/date for discussion with the teams on IRC. A collaboration would imho be achievable and a good thing.

best, march, wiki team ---end english translation

I'll reach out to march telling him that we'll discuss this collaboration-idea team-internal and come back to him once we have a team-opinion in place. I myself feel this as an opportunity we should consider. From my perspective he's right, that articles about the general usage of applications (like e.g. Thunderbird, Pidgin, etc.) may be easily adjustable and thus can be utilized by both communities.

What do you think about it? I think it is an interesting idea. I feel a bit hesitation when it comes to the idea to link the ubuntu-wiki to the openSUSE-Wiki and vice versa, but I think it would be a great effort to set up lets say a domain for example called http://linuxsolutions.org where we collaborate together with upstream and other linux distros to document applications and solution stacks for Linux. However, doesn't that already exist where we could jump in, for example http://userbase.kde.org? Wouldn't it make more sense to contribute to these kind of sites and link them? It's upstream where the efforts have to go imo.

Klaas

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Rupert Horstkötter

10:01

Klaas, I clearly see where you're coming from and I like the idea. I'll get back to the ubuntuusers community once we have ironed out our own wiki-concept (highest prio) and I'll throw that idea of yours into the discussion as well. Btw, feel free to participate in the discussion by yourself as soon as we find the time to meet the ubuntuusers team on IRC - I'll certainly keep you in the loop. Best R 2009/10/28 Klaas Freitag :

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Am Dienstag 27 Oktober 2009 11:10:37 schrieb Rupert Horstkötter:

Hi Rupert,

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as most of you know: last friday, I interviewed Martin Gräßlin from ubuntuusers.de on IRC about their experiences with the maintainability of a sandboxing concept. They use such an approach successfully for their wiki and I was curious about some input. That said, today I got an email from ubuntuusers.de's march asking for collaboration between wiki.ubuntuusers.de and the openSUSE Wiki. Please see his email (and an english translation) below.

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Hallo Rupert, du hattest uns kontaktiert bzgl. unseres Wikis und dem Baustellenkozept. Hier können wir uns sehr gerne einmal im IRC mit den >Teams treffen. Vielleicht kann man auch weitere tiefergehende Verknüpfungen auf die Wege bringen. Ich fand die Idee nicht >schlecht ein allgemeineres Wiki zu schaffen - es gibt logischerweise Unterschiede bei der Installation und der Konfiguration - >jedoch ist die Beschreibung der Programme identisch. So kann man sich gegenseitig untersützen und entweder die Artikel von A >nach B kopieren mit einem Hinweis, dass er ursprünglich von XY stammt. Hier wäre es natürlich einfacher, wenn wir gemeinsame >Schnittstellen hätten - was z.B. den Aufbau der Artikel, Syntax, die Lizenz et cetera betrifft.

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Wir könnten zur Terminabsprache eine Umfrage bei Doodle starten, wenn ihr uns treffen wollt. Eine Kooperation wäre IMHO >machbar und eine gute Sache. :)

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LG march vom Wiki-Team

---english translation Rupert, you contacted us asking about our wiki and sandboxing concept. If you feel this appropriate we may meet on IRC with our respective teams at some point in time. Maybe we can discuss even further ways of collaboration-potential. We like the idea to profit from each other from a content perspective. Obviously there are differences in Installation and Configuration between Ubuntu and openSUSE but articles about the general use of applications may be just the same and can be utilized by both groups/communities. That way, we may collaborate by copying articles from A to B with a note that it is originated from Site XY. In that regard it may be valuable to have common ideas about e.g. structure, syntax, license etc. of articles.

We may start a survey at Doodle to find an appropriate time/date for discussion with the teams on IRC. A collaboration would imho be achievable and a good thing.

best, march, wiki team ---end english translation

I'll reach out to march telling him that we'll discuss this collaboration-idea team-internal and come back to him once we have a team-opinion in place. I myself feel this as an opportunity we should consider. From my perspective he's right, that articles about the general usage of applications (like e.g. Thunderbird, Pidgin, etc.) may be easily adjustable and thus can be utilized by both communities.

What do you think about it? I think it is an interesting idea. I feel a bit hesitation when it comes to the idea to link the ubuntu-wiki to the openSUSE-Wiki and vice versa, but I think it would be a great effort to set up lets say a domain for example called http://linuxsolutions.org where we collaborate together with upstream and other linux distros to document applications and solution stacks for Linux. However, doesn't that already exist where we could jump in, for example http://userbase.kde.org? Wouldn't it make more sense to contribute to these kind of sites and link them? It's upstream where the efforts have to go imo.

Klaas

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Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier

11:50

2009/10/28 Rupert Horstkötter :

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I clearly see where you're coming from and I like the idea. I'll get back to the ubuntuusers community once we have ironed out our own wiki-concept (highest prio) and I'll throw that idea of yours into the discussion as well. Btw, feel free to participate in the discussion by yourself as soon as we find the time to meet the ubuntuusers team on IRC - I'll certainly keep you in the loop.

As Klaas says, this might be better solved upstream for things like KDE, GNOME, etc. For other materials, the Linux Documentation Project should have solved this problem, but didn't. It might bear talking with Ubuntu and Fedora about how we could solve the documentation gap. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

jdd-tldp

13:13

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier a écrit :

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KDE, GNOME, etc. For other materials, the Linux Documentation Project should have solved this problem, but didn't. It might bear talking with Ubuntu and Fedora about how we could solve the documentation gap.

please if you want to collaborate with the ldp, do! we are not as well as we should like, but still alive :-) I'm as well LDP Coordinator and openSUSE member :-) jdd -- jdd for the Linux Documentation Project http://wiki.tldp.org http://www.dodin.net http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1412160445 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier

13:40

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:13 AM, jdd-tldp wrote:

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please if you want to collaborate with the ldp, do! we are not as well as we should like, but still alive :-)

Really? :-) Good to know. In recent years, I haven't seen much activity around LDP which has been disappointing. I learned Linux reading the Linux Bible back in the day (late 90's) and felt that the LDP was a really valuable resource. Over the years, I've seen less and less published by the LDP and many, many complaints about the difficulty of publishing material via the LDP -- things in the queue way too long, etc. There was an unmaintained HOWTO I wanted to take over, but the existing author was unwilling to let go ("I'll get to it someday") and I don't think there was a process to take over a doc when that happened. Of course - this was years ago. I haven't heard a peep out of LDP for a while. It looks like things are changing - can you fill us in on the current situation and maybe how we can coordinate?

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I'm as well LDP Coordinator and openSUSE member :-)

Awesome! Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

jdd-tldp (gmane)

13:58

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier a écrit :

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On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:13 AM, jdd-tldp wrote:

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please if you want to collaborate with the ldp, do! we are not as well as we should like, but still alive :-)

Really? :-) Good to know.

:-)

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Over the years, I've seen less and less published by the LDP and many, many complaints about the difficulty of publishing material via the LDP

we now have a wiki (not mediawiki but MoinMoin, more docbook friendly) at wiki.tldp.org -- things in the queue way too long, etc. There was an

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unmaintained HOWTO I wanted to take over, but the existing author was unwilling to let go ("I'll get to it someday") and I don't think there was a process to take over a doc when that happened.

there is a process, but still difficult. That's historical reason: LDP is author oriented, we prefere to have identified authors. But is the old times, the authors didn't always choose a licence, and a doc without licence and with an author are closed source! but it's always possible to re-do from scratch.

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Of course - this was years ago. I haven't heard a peep out of LDP for a while. It looks like things are changing - can you fill us in on the current situation and maybe how we can coordinate?

we have a page status: http://wiki.tldp.org/Page_Status where all the HOWTOs are listed, with the licence. Any open licence (that is nearly any licence listed on this page) allow changes in the doc. We are ready to help convert old HOWTOs to the wiki ready to collaborate :-) jdd -- jdd for the Linux Documentation Project http://wiki.tldp.org http://www.dodin.net http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1412160445 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

oldcpu

29 Oct 29 Oct

18:16

I confess I already wrote one openSUSE wiki (some time back) where a lot of the information I obtained from Ubuntu forum guide. The wiki I wrote is here: http://en.opensuse.org/Boot_DOS_without_Floppy The original Ubuntu forum guide is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2195208 The similarities may not be obvious, but the idea did originate from Ubuntu. Of course I did this to scratch an "itch", as I had a need to do this at that time. Lee aka oldcpu Rupert Horstkötter wrote:

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Team,

as most of you know: last friday, I interviewed Martin Gräßlin from ubuntuusers.de on IRC about their experiences with the maintainability of a sandboxing concept. They use such an approach successfully for their wiki and I was curious about some input. That said, today I got an email from ubuntuusers.de's march asking for collaboration between wiki.ubuntuusers.de and the openSUSE Wiki. Please see his email (and an english translation) below.

...
Hallo Rupert, du hattest uns kontaktiert bzgl. unseres Wikis und dem Baustellenkozept. Hier können wir uns sehr gerne einmal im IRC mit den >Teams treffen. Vielleicht kann man auch weitere tiefergehende Verknüpfungen auf die Wege bringen. Ich fand die Idee nicht >schlecht ein allgemeineres Wiki zu schaffen - es gibt logischerweise Unterschiede bei der Installation und der Konfiguration - >jedoch ist die Beschreibung der Programme identisch. So kann man sich gegenseitig untersützen und entweder die Artikel von A >nach B kopieren mit einem Hinweis, dass er ursprünglich von XY stammt. Hier wäre es natürlich einfacher, wenn wir gemeinsame >Schnittstellen hätten - was z.B. den Aufbau der Artikel, Syntax, die Lizenz et cetera betrifft.

...
Wir könnten zur Terminabsprache eine Umfrage bei Doodle starten, wenn ihr uns treffen wollt. Eine Kooperation wäre IMHO >machbar und eine gute Sache. :)

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LG march vom Wiki-Team

---english translation Rupert, you contacted us asking about our wiki and sandboxing concept. If you feel this appropriate we may meet on IRC with our respective teams at some point in time. Maybe we can discuss even further ways of collaboration-potential. We like the idea to profit from each other from a content perspective. Obviously there are differences in Installation and Configuration between Ubuntu and openSUSE but articles about the general use of applications may be just the same and can be utilized by both groups/communities. That way, we may collaborate by copying articles from A to B with a note that it is originated from Site XY. In that regard it may be valuable to have common ideas about e.g. structure, syntax, license etc. of articles.

We may start a survey at Doodle to find an appropriate time/date for discussion with the teams on IRC. A collaboration would imho be achievable and a good thing.

best, march, wiki team ---end english translation

I'll reach out to march telling him that we'll discuss this collaboration-idea team-internal and come back to him once we have a team-opinion in place. I myself feel this as an opportunity we should consider. From my perspective he's right, that articles about the general usage of applications (like e.g. Thunderbird, Pidgin, etc.) may be easily adjustable and thus can be utilized by both communities.

What do you think about it?

Best, R

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