[opensuse-wiki] External images
Hello, I found in http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Pulseaudio that an external image is used from http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/files/2008/06/paprefs-speaker- setup.png . Is this allowed? Or should all images first be uploaded to the wiki? There are no guidelines for images in articles yet, should there be? Greetings, Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 09.09.2010 12:41, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
I found in http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Pulseaudio that an external image is used from http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/files/2008/06/paprefs-speaker- setup.png .
Is this allowed? Or should all images first be uploaded to the wiki?
There are no guidelines for images in articles yet, should there be?
No there shouldn't be. We don't need guidelines for _everything_... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 09 September 2010 06:17:02 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Is this allowed? Or should all images first be uploaded to the wiki?
There are no guidelines for images in articles yet, should there be?
No there shouldn't be. We don't need guidelines for _everything_...
It is allowed, but it slows down page load as image must be retrieved from another server. So it is better to upload it the wiki. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 2010-09-09 19:30:51 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
It is allowed, but it slows down page load as image must be retrieved from another server. So it is better to upload it the wiki.
maybe that external server is even faster than the opensuse wiki? your argument is falling pretty short. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 09 September 2010 19:52:10 Marcus Rueckert wrote:
maybe that external server is even faster than the opensuse wiki? your argument is falling pretty short.
Maybe or maybe not. How it resolves in practice depends not only on file serving speeds, but also on where are servers located and how your Internet provider DNS works (mine is not a bright star). In general you don't want links to images on another sites as you have no control over it, and no signal when is changed. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 10/09/10 04:17, Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 09 September 2010 19:52:10 Marcus Rueckert wrote:
maybe that external server is even faster than the opensuse wiki? your argument is falling pretty short.
Maybe or maybe not. How it resolves in practice depends not only on file serving speeds, but also on where are servers located and how your Internet provider DNS works (mine is not a bright star).
In general you don't want links to images on another sites as you have no control over it, and no signal when is changed.
(1) (1.1) The risks and disadvantages are not much different as with other external links[1] in the text. (1.2) External links and especially internal images do also undermine the policy of page validation[2] (with checked, approved or tested versions and revisions), (2) I think there may be exceptions to (1) if it is obvious an external (interactive) image and importing it or an equivalent would be impossible or make much fuss.[3] Regards pistazienfresser Footnotes: [1] For discussions on the issue of external links in the openSUSE wiki please take a look at: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/opensuse-wiki-discussions/44127... http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2010-07/msg00238.html [2] See for page validation: http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Page_validation with links to further readings [3] Example: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Conference_map -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE 11.2 with GNOME 2.28.2 (or KDE 4.3.5) and Kernel Linux 2.6.31.12-0.2-pae (or default, Ubuntu 10.4 LTS 'lucid' 2.6.33-22-genetic, MS Win XP) - Samsung X20 Pentium M 740 (1730 MHz) Intel 915GM 1400x1050 - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
It is very unlikely to be faster. Our data center has very high bandwidth and we are running very capable web servers. In addition, Apache is set up to serve multiple requests, including images, over a single TCP connection. Once you consider that with an external server, you have to add the overhead of a DNS lookup, a TCP handshake, and then getting the file, I would be very surprised if any image could be served faster externally. In any case, serving external images from your own site is also known as "hotlinking" and is considered to be poor form at best. The reason is that you are chewing up someone else's bandwidth and cycles by using their site in a way they did not intend for it to be used. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline_linking.
"Rajko M."
9/9/2010 8:17 PM >>> On Thursday 09 September 2010 19:52:10 Marcus Rueckert wrote: maybe that external server is even faster than the opensuse wiki? your argument is falling pretty short.
Maybe or maybe not. How it resolves in practice depends not only on file serving speeds, but also on where are servers located and how your Internet provider DNS works (mine is not a bright star).
In general you don't want links to images on another sites as you have no control over it, and no signal when is changed.
On 10/09/10 16:51, Matthew Ehle wrote: [...]
In any case, serving external images from your own site is also known as "hotlinking" and is considered to be poor form at best. [...] See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline_linking.
As several persons are located and acting in Germany the rating/judgment on acting like that in Germany may be of special interest for them: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotlinking#Rechtliche_Situation and Landgericht München I, Decision 21 O 20028/05, 2007-01-10 "Rußnase" published in: MIR 01/2007 http://medien-internet-und-recht.de/pdf/vt_MIR_Dok._027-2007.pdf So framing does not reduce risks of violating copyrights (to phrase it in a very moderate way). Regards pistazienfresser - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-09-10 02:30, Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 09 September 2010 06:17:02 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Is this allowed? Or should all images first be uploaded to the wiki?
There are no guidelines for images in articles yet, should there be?
No there shouldn't be. We don't need guidelines for _everything_...
It is allowed, but it slows down page load as image must be retrieved from another server. So it is better to upload it the wiki.
I know of several cases where the image was uploaded to an outside server simply because nobody knew how to upload that image to opensuse.org. On other cases because the image was already somewhere else, and was easier to just use it there that upload it to opensuse.org - if the license allows to upload it. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyKwuMACgkQU92UU+smfQUBVQCfZAoaDaIGo2Ux2A6ODZYPl+Sh m4UAn0gQwrBwHj+Yty8KwI31su8AzQba =iU+t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
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Carlos E. R.
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Henne Vogelsang
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Marcus Rueckert
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Matthew Ehle
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Rajko M.
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Tim Mohlmann