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[opensuse-wiki] Template "Infobox Software" is garbled in Internet Explorer
by Rajko M. 17 Feb '10

17 Feb '10

Using Firefox or Konqueror, it looks good, but in Internet Explorer the image keeps position and it is right aligned, but frame elements are shifted left, closer to the TOC, each in its own position so the frame looks like couple of disjoint lines and corners. Besides that, template does not show versions, only {{{VersionXYZ}}}. See in Internet Explorer: http://en.opensuse.org/Amarok Does anyone check his web design in other major browsers? Do we create designs that will work for browsers used in Linux alone? I know that I didn't check before this case, but it seems that is bad idea. The browser market is still largely Internet Explorer turf, and having template like Infobox Software, that should be on every software description page, broken, is guarantee that a lot of the visitors will laugh, and completely understand claims that Linux is designed by bunch of amateurs. -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] Navigation bar (NavBar) doesn't solve all navigation problems
by Rémy Marquis 17 Feb '10

17 Feb '10

Hi, I'm forwarding this answer on the -wiki ML as one could add some ideas/suggestions. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Rajko M. <rmatov101(a)charter.net> wrote: [...] > I use HCL as example as it is really large group in need of at least 2 levels > of navigational bars, in our local parlance NavBar as Template:NavBar. > > http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/Laptops > is example of double navigational bar. > > Both navigational bars are stand alone templates: > http://en.opensuse.org/Template:HCL > http://en.opensuse.org/Template:NavLaptops > > The rest of templates that have similar layout, like one used on > http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation > are created using http://en.opensuse.org/Template:NavBar . > > Two templates at the top are not really elegant solution, but currently we > don't have better idea how to add subtopic. The best solution I can find is this proposal (if we define that "Board" content is a subgroup of "Community" wiki pages) : http://en.opensuse.org/Community http://en.opensuse.org/Board As you can see, I've added a link to the more global "Community" page directly in the "Board" navbar. Advantage is that we don't clutter the user with (too) many links, but only the link of the "parent page" (in this case, "Community"). Imho, a double navbar is just too "overkill". Add too many navigation links and the user is lost again. The disadvantage (or advantage too) is that we need to define a very clear "tree-structure" on the new wiki, i.e. : Community Portal \__ Board \__ Members \__ Ambassadors \__ Teams \__ How to Participate \__ Artwork \__ subtopic Documentation Portal \__ Installation \__ Package Management (end user) doc \__ HOWTOs \__ Developer Portal \__ Packaging \__ OBS ... > > > I short conversation with Remy on IRC we came to conclusion that we have to > experiment on the new wiki, as creating solutions on old wiki that are missing > abilities of extensions and parser hooks leads nowhere. > > I still have no idea how to organize tests as it was mentioned in topic 'New > "Need consent" tag in transition table' we have some articles that we can't > handle as we don't have any written or spoken policy about that. > > Even worse, we never listed wiki content by type, and besides end user > documentation we have quite a few other types, like developer documents, > teamwork related articles, meetings, team pages, plans, etc, etc. Yeah, we really have to separate content by "user case". See above. > > My time is currently even more restricted as company needs more hours and the > current weather doesn't cooperate, so if all will wait on me it will stretch > quite a bit. I guess that Remy and you are not in a better position. > > -- > Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Get going wit the new instance
by Henne Vogelsang 16 Feb '10

16 Feb '10

Hey, i would like to get going with the structure. Judging from the recent messages in this list we're dancing around it and don't really go forward. IMHO we're taking the wrong approach in trying to think everything through before doing anything. I think we need to take the ship out of the harbor and roll with the waves :) So I want to start tomorrow 11:00 CET with the new structure on wiki.o.o. For that i will get rid of the test content that i there today, take reviewed content from http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_list_table and general structure pages and start. I will let you know daily where i am and what you can do to help me. Rajko you would have to limit your testing to a specific area, sorry. I propose /Rajko or do you need something else like a namespace or something? Please let me know. Any objections? Speak now or forever hold your peace! :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] SDB <keyword> tag
by Andras Dosztal 16 Feb '10

16 Feb '10

Hi, I just found out recently that the <keyword> tags in SDB articles are not interpreted. Example: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Repair_MBR_after_grub_install Is it replaced with something else or a bug? Regards, Andras -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] wiki.o.o news 02/14
by Henne Vogelsang 14 Feb '10

14 Feb '10

Hi, i tried to work on the Portals but got carried away by the mess with is already now in the new instance. So i decided to to clean up. I started with the File namespace[1] where i unified (now using nearly only oxygen icons) and categorized the content. TODO: Document all the icons. What is it that we want to express with those by default? This is important so people actually use them for their content. There is no need to have 16 oneway signs or 4 different graphical representations for help. The Guidelines need to be extended for this topic too. I then went on to the Template namespace[2] where i decided which are usefull (to get going!) and which are not. Here we suffer from the same fact. People duplicated templates. I guess we need to put more work into the guidelines, especially for newly added content. The only "creative" thing i did was re-using the Portal boxes to make a userpage template. http://wiki.opensuse.org/Template:Userpage The next namespace to "clean" would be openSUSE:. From what i can see we can move nearly all content to Help:. I will look into that tomorrow. Thats it for now. Henne [1] http://bit.ly/dkKLcw [2] http://bit.ly/bilRR5 -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Image OxygenRpmPackage.png
by Rajko M. 13 Feb '10

13 Feb '10

IMHO, I don't see connection between current icon for rpm packages: http://en.opensuse.org/File:OxygenRpmPackage.png and package management. Can someone help me to understand. The old version was more then clear, package with label RPM, but this one is generic Oxygen icon. Do we have to replace all icons with Oxygen in the name with this one? -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] wiki.o.o news 02/13
by Henne Vogelsang 13 Feb '10

13 Feb '10

Hi, yesterday evening Matthew purged the main namespace so today i started to move content. I started with reducing the content of the Main_Page[1]. It now only points to the 3 things we have in this wiki. Information about the distribution, the project and the wiki itself. The introductions point to portals about the subjects. And thats the second thing i worked on. The Portal template[2] and Help[3] about it. What can you do to help? Of course the Portals and especially the intros could use some love. For the distribution and the project it was relatively easy to find cool sentences to glue together because we have a lot of content about those topics in the old instance. For the wiki itself it was not so easy. So go to that page[4] and fill it please. I'm also sure that we can make the design of the frontpage easier for the eye, less text'ish for instance. I will continue to work on the Portals and then go from there starting with the Help namespace because its the most important for now. Thats it for today... Henne [1] http://wiki.opensuse.org/Main_Page [2] http://wiki.opensuse.org/Template:Portal [3] http://wiki.opensuse.org/Help:Portal [4] http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki/Intro -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Wiki forum is live! (was: Re: [opensuse-wiki] New "Need consent" tag in transition table)
by Rupert Horstkötter 11 Feb '10

11 Feb '10

Team, 2010/2/8 Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org>: > 2010/2/8 Rajko M. <rmatov101(a)charter.net>: >> I was missing such forum few times since wiki cleanup action begun. >> I'm sure that 90% of forum guys are annoyed with IRC and mail lists for some >> reason, so I vote for it and as soon as possible. >> > I just took care about that one at the team area at forums.o.o .. > should be a matter of days and we should have the wiki forum up and > running. > Done! The Wiki forum is live at http://forums.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki-discussions/ I posted a quick welcome (will be stickied) at http://forums.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki-discussions/432668-welcome-wiki-fo… to explain its final and its interims purpose. Have fun! Lemme know if you need anything, R -- Rupert Horstkötter, open-slx gmbh openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Team Pages
by Rupert Horstkötter 11 Feb '10

11 Feb '10

Team, gnokii thought about informations that should be provided on team pages and I'd like to forward this to you in order to get more feedback before I'll reach out to the Teams asking for implementation/adoption. I CC: interested parties to make sure they're aware. So, what we'd like to achieve? Team pages are an integral part of reaching out to potential contributors and GOOD team pages encourage contributors to get involved in the Project/specific Team. Here is what gnokii prepared so far --- What information should be on team pages 1. what does the team do, tasks etc. * include the sources in the wiki 2. how is it organized -> the way to work in this team!!! 3. members of the team * important some teams sort the members after novell and community thats not good! * some teams like the boosters give all contact informations for each member there, thats not necessary. Better link to the userpage and hold each information there. 4. contact data for the team like IRC and mailing lists mor isnt necessary on the wiki pages. I would like to have point 4 on the side like the "team template" now is. And the team template on the end of the side is better. Over the contact data Iwould put a graphic that represent the team, or this I need the dimensions for it. Look after art team page, there is the graphic same size like the "team template" has. So it looks good. On one page I saw a nationality flag behind the member, thats a good idea, for connecting I would me pick a member in my language its easier --- So far for specific Team Pages .. It's all about providing the right, and ONLY the sufficient info in an accessible and common way across ALL team pages we have and integrate them under one umbrella (see below). The other thing is our "Inter-team page", i.e. listing the teams. Currently we have http://en.opensuse.org/Teams and http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Teams is what we'd like to have instead. Thanks henne! So, after all, this is a two step process: 1. Implementing/adjusting team pages 2. Listing teams at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Teams Any suggestions? Additional ideas? Best, R -- Rupert Horstkötter, open-slx gmbh openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] SoftwareInfoBox
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 10 Feb '10

10 Feb '10

Hello Mates, we've started the same Process like you: Reviewing of the Wiki. But i have Question. In the Amarok Article we have the "Knowledge" Macro and an selfmade SoftwareInfoBox. Both in one Article are not recommended, Should we use in this case just the Knowldege Macro? -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Community & Support Agent openSUSE Marketing Team Blog: http://saigkill.wordpress.com Web: http://www.open-slx.de (openSUSE Box Support German) Web: http://www.open-slx.com (openSUSE Box Support English) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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