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[opensuse-wiki] Translations need some space to live
by Rajko M. 17 Jan '10

17 Jan '10

There is need to provide space for translations that don't have enough support to grant own wiki. There was talk about http://babel.opensuse.org , but it never made further from talk about it. It should be no problem to have one more wiki with babel subdomain to provide place for people to come in and translate as many articles they want, starting with introduction to openSUSE project. I guess that we want more people around the globe to come in touch with openSUSE, so we should do something about that. Procrastinating will bring us no benefits. -- Regards Rajko, openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] wiki.o.o bugs: Feedback needed
by Frank Sundermeyer 14 Jan '10

14 Jan '10

Hi, I am currently working on the bugs listed at http://wiki.opensuse.org/Bug_Reports_/_Enhancement_and_Change_Requests I need your feedback on the following: 1) Flagged Revs "We are missing icons (images) used by FlaggedRevs for tag that is present on every page, before words/strings Unreviewed or Current revision, as well as bars in detailed view that can see user that is not logged in a wiki." I am not sure if I understand this correctly. Can you provide screenshots on how it should be and how it is currently displayed on wiki.o.o? 2) CSS styles "styles applied by style=... at several tags (in wiki content) should be in the CSS file. Tags in the wiki content should only use class=... (Maybe a page to collect them might be useful.)" Just send me all the new styles that are needed you need and I will them add to the CSS files. -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] PS3
by Jonathan Rocker 12 Jan '10

12 Jan '10

This article is good for prior to 11.2 http://en.opensuse.org/PS3 but the article states that it depends on PPC kernel and that 11.2 no longer supports PPC. Does this make the article obsolete? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] PS3
by Jon Rocker 11 Jan '10

11 Jan '10

This article http://en.opensuse.org/PS3 says that it depends on the PPC kernel which openSUSE no longer supports as of 11.2. Does this make the article obsolete? Respectfully Jon Rocker -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] German Wiki
by Rupert Horstkötter 11 Jan '10

11 Jan '10

Team, so far, our openSUSE Wiki Usability Concept is (at first glance) focused on the English instance while adopting language wikis (de, fr, es, ..) in a second stage. As we value the convenience of customers/users, i.e. this is our ultimate goal with the Usability Concept, I did some market analysis and found out that the major part of openSUSE users is located in Germany according to http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics To be even more specific, we have a percentage of 29,6% of openSUSE installations in Germany and this is by far the largest user-community around the world. Open-slx statistics (# of sold openSUSE Box products) even outline a significant 90% share of customers in Germany. That said, we urgently need to consider this while implementing the Concept and put efforts into the parallel proceeding of the German instance while going forward with the English Wiki. We, as open-slx, will put a significant amount of workforce into this effort while we'll further support the English Article Reviewing as well with Jon Rocker as open-slx employee. My collegues from open-slx (Nico, Jens and Sascha) are in CC: for their reference here. We're certainly still dependent on Community involvement though. So, if you are a German native speaker, feel free to step up and jump in by following the opensuse-wiki mailinglist. We'll provide more information as soon as we adopted the Transition plan to the German instance. Remy, may you please provide an overview about the outcome of the efforts we put into the Engish instance so far (templates, transition_list, transition_guidelines and so on) in order to empower open-slx workforce to work on translation efforts and to finally come up with a similar Article Reviewing plan for the German Wiki instance? Also, may you be able to provide a Transition_list similar to the English instance for the German one? I guess you're in charge here and have the best insight of wiki seniors. Thanks in advance! Open-slx collegues, may I provide a quick introduction (Remy will provide more details) about the current transition plan and the Article Reviewing we put in place for the English instance: We worked on standardized templates [1], [2] for usage within articles, we came up with an article template [3] to ensure a consistent look&feel for the openSUSE Wiki and we finally implemented a Transition Plan that describes the actual reviewing and migrating of reviewed articles into the new wiki instance. It's too much noise to explain this in an email, so I'd like to refer you to [4] and specifically [5]. That said, in order to come up with a similar effort for the German Instance in parallel we'd first need to translate the templates and the transition guidelines while we wait for Remy to come up with a transition list for the German instance. Please read the provided documents for a quick insight and ask questions so that I can help you to sync with the efforts of the last 3 months. Also please get access to the #opensuse-wiki channel on IRC Freenode in order to communicate with the Wiki Team in realtime. Usually there's a wiki senior around at any time that is able to answer specific questions. OK, thanks for listening and thanks to everyone involved making this effort a big success for the community. Let's come up with something awesome. Best, R [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wiki_Template_Guidelines [2] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wiki_Tag_Guidelines [3] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Article_Template [4] http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_Guidelines [5] http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_Guidelines#Step_1_:_Articles_review -- Rupert Horstkötter, open-slx gmbh openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] Article reviewing - current status
by DenverD 11 Jan '10

11 Jan '10

Rupert Horstkötter wrote: > With the Mentoring Session one week over, I see 6 Articles "checked", > 21 Articles "under review" and 5 Articles "not transferred". While > this is certainly appreciated, I assume that we won't manage to go > through http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_List in a reasonable > timeframe if we don't accelerate this effort significantly. i can't speak for any others...but, the 'holidays' were joyful (yipee) and didn't offer the reams of 'free time' i had planned to donate to the open source/openSUSE cause...and, when i tried to dive in, i found a few problems/challenges which severely dampened my willingness to plunge ahead at Mach 2: 1. a HUGE list <http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_List> of work--daunting, over powering and seemingly endless...chilling...a mountain of work...i got 'tired' just trying to find something i *wanted* to spend time with... and then i found an article i was willing to _begin_ with and turned to the checklist <http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_Guidelines> of things to do for each article--and *immediately* find instructions i don't know how to follow, like: 2. in Step 1 > Format check > "Change capitalization of title page by moving the article to the new name." ok, that is simple enough instructions (for a Wiki Guru...which i'm not,) so i have zero idea how to "move" the article to the new name...and, that means i can't pick anything with a title that needs changing. (which is ok, 'cause now _my_ list is shorter and more manageable because any article with more than a one word title is off limits for me---waaaaaaaaaaa, what if all the ones i wanna work on have two or more words in the title?) 3. same Step 1 > Format check > "Follows the openSUSE:Article Template" > "knowledge bar" and immediately i need to know a. how i am supposed to know (or learn) if the article has been tested against which (if any) of the current releases?? b. i've never actually run any 11.x more than a few minutes, so maybe i'm not qualified to help at all--is this a task for bleeding edgers only? c. am i to wander around in the wiki until i've filled in the list of 'recommended articles'? d. if i wander around and find an article to be mentioned, how do i decide if it is a "recomended article" or a "related article" e. i wonder if the article i'm reviewing is going to have to be reviewed EVERY eight months, *forever*?? and, who is gonna do that? (obviously it will have to be an 'early adopter' huh?) 4. same Step 1 > Format check > "Follows the openSUSE:Article Template" > Communication > Team members, and i wonder a. if each article needs a list of "team members"? b. and what team? is each page supposed to have a 'team' of originators/contributors/editors? (that wasn't mentioned in the mentoring session i attended..) c. so, where do i find the list of 'team members'? or, do we expect it to grow, naturally? if i'm on that list will i still be there when i have "moved on" in, say 50 years? d. if there is to be a team then what about this: "This article is under review! The contents are currently being evaluated and edited by [[User:{{{1}}}]]. Others should not make any changes." <http://en.opensuse.org/Template:InReview> which is not a very 'team building' pronouncement, framed in red. e. will each page have a 'team leader' or will each page have their own mini-anarchy? 5. same Step 1 > Format check > "Follows the openSUSE:Article Template" > Mailing list, and i wonder a. if each article requires a mailing list be associated with it? do some articles need two mailing lists? three? b. what about forums--if we list related mailing lists shouldn't we also name the related forums? c. how do i decide which mailing list/forum should be on any particular article? see? imHo, i can do a half okay job of turning non-native speaker/writer's or 'hacker' prose into nearly clearly usable, not overly hacker/technical english...but, to do ALL that is expected for any one article i have a LONG way to go to be helpful with: -moving wiki pages -wiki mark up language (sure i can learn it, eventually) [i 'know' basic html, is there a converter? like can i feed in a finished html page with say this and that and out pops wiki with '''this''' and ''that'' which i can copy paste into a wiki editing box?] -develop the 'knowledge' of version specifics and recommended/related articles -associating mail lists -following the fully ripe/mature instructions/guidelines/checklists needed to implement the ideas/ideals decided before i stumbled in.. vr, DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Usage of openSUSE(R) in the wiki
by Michael Cheah 11 Jan '10

11 Jan '10

When reviewing the wiki pages for transition to the new wiki.o.o I came across the use of "openSUSE®" in some articles such as this: http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Using_Fingerprint_Authentication Is this acceptable or we should simply use "openSUSE" in all the wiki pages. Thank you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] article to delete
by Jonathan Rocker 10 Jan '10

10 Jan '10

This article http://en.opensuse.org/Feature_Wishlist is marked as "This article will not be transferred to the new wiki instance! This article does not fit the openSUSE:Wiki Guidelines requirement and cannot be updated. It will not be transferred to the new Wiki instance. Reason Replaced by openFATE." If this is the case, shouldn't the article be deleted? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Namespaces for the wiki.o.o
by Frank Sundermeyer 10 Jan '10

10 Jan '10

Hi, sorry for creating another thread on this topic, but I think this is something that we should finally solve, so creating a new thread seemed the best option to me. To me it seems there is a lot of confusion about the purpose of namespaces, so let me first try to shine a little light on this (please read!): ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Purpose of namespaces: --------------------- Namespaces allow to _separate_ between content for the _editing community_ (like howtos on writing articles, guidelines, etc) and _readers_ "Namespaces allow, among other things, a separation of content from policy and discussion. They encourage separation of the pages of a wiki into a core set intended for public viewing, and private information intended for the editing community." [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace] How are pages outside the main namespace handled? ---------------------------------------------------- Basically pages not from the main namespace are handled just as any other page, the only difference that is visible firsthand is the name prefix <NAMESPACE>:<PAGE TITLE>. However, there are two other main differences: * a regular search will _not_ find any pages outside of the main namespace, because the default search is limited to the main namespace * Special:AllPages by default only displays pages from the main namespace. You can select other namespaces to display, but only one at a time. Displaying pages from all namespaces is not possible Which namespaces exist by default? ---------------------------------- see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace#List_of_namespaces IMPORTANT NOTE: Because MediaWiki relies on the presence of system namespaces (the ones listed above) throughout the code, these cannot be deleted. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Namespace_manager#Deleting_namespac… ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now my 2 cents: * Having read the above, it IMHO should be clear that it does not make sense, to divide the content into different namespaces such as developer, news, etc. Nor does it make sense to use the existing SDB namespace in teh future. * Since the default namespaces cannot be deleted we should utilize them before introducing new namespaces - e.g. "Help" for editing instructions, describing extensions, or openSUSE (aka Meta) for guidelines, etc. * We do not want people searching for an article to be pointed to a portal page rather than to the article itself. Therefore I would suggest to put them into a to be created namespace Portal * Apart from "Portal" I would not add any other namespaces, but rather delete the custom ones we now have /howtos, faqs, SDB, SDB talk -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Finalization of few tasks !
by Shayon Mukherjee 08 Jan '10

08 Jan '10

Hello all , Well i would like to have everyone focus a bit more on some of the pending works (of mine) and important ones too also at the same time come forward to take the charge , as i'll not be in touch with the wiki for a quite a few months ( already notified) . So 1) The teams page [1] [2]- May someone here take time out to finalize the things included in the mail [1] . So as to have a better progress and smoothness in the transition process 2) The Portal Template [3] is yet to be prepared for the final version though it may require minor or major edits 3) The frontpage layout [4] is also not 100% satisfying may require major edits , specially concerned to the data to be put in the boxes [5] I know everyone is really having a tough time with the reviewing part and i am really sorry to leave when there is a need of contributors ( but have to ) . So i guess Remy and Rajko may take up some of the tasks ( if possible ) and others who would like to, please come forward and announce it once or the Template service is quite good of our wiki :) . [1] - http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2009-12/msg00168.html [2] - http://en.opensuse.org/Teams [3] - http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Portal_Template [4] - http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock/Test2 [5] - http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock/Test_Page -- Regards, Shayon Mukherjee openSUSE Wiki Team http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock Email: hkwarlock(a)gmail.com Twitter: ShayonM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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