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[opensuse-wiki] Review needed for certain pages...!?!
by Shayon 22 Oct '09

22 Oct '09

Hello ppl, While i was checking the articles,i came across few pages which i suppose needs a kind of extra attention by the daily contributors/experienced wiki maintainers,because i dont find any alternative to deal with it.So i thought of creating a Template and a Category on it-The links are as follows -- Template-http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Review Category-http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Pages_that_need_review ::If the editor/author/maintainer thinks that the page(s) needs a special attention ,then he can add the template REVIEW so that the daily contributors/senior wiki maintainers,will have a look at it and find a possible way to deal with it.So that the reader(s) dont get confused or dont face any kind of difficulty while reading. Note:I have just made a TEST.If at all ,if you all feel its not a satisfactory step.I can delete each and every single page which i created. :) Warm Regards Wwarlock(Shayon) "FOR THE BETTERMENT OF openSUSE" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Some "interesting" pages to be deleted
by Christian Boltz 20 Oct '09

20 Oct '09

Hello, I found some "interesting" pages in the openSUSE: namespace which contain copies of some logs from 2005: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Upload_log http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Protection_log http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Deletion_log http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bureaucrat_log These pages are protected, so I can't even add the {{delete}} template on them. Can one of the wiki admins please delete the listed pages? Regards, Christian Boltz -- In most cases, XSLT is good enough. But I agree, for some parts you need Aspirin. ;-) [Thomas Schraitle in opensuse-doc] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] Concept Proposal for the openSUSE wiki
by Marcus Uddenhed 19 Oct '09

19 Oct '09

Hi. I feel that this is a good way to go, the wiki needs to be cleaned up. One thing I feel that needs to be addressed here to is the case sensitivity issue on the page names, as it is today you can have multiple pages with same name by just changing a letter to say uppercase, this is confusing in my eyes and for a ordinary user this is chaos. The page names should be case insensitive to minimize the risk of confusion and misinformation. This is as I feel. :-) / Marcus Uddenhed 15 okt 2009 kl. 14.48 skrev Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org>: Community, in context of my employment as openSUSE Community Assistant at open-slx.com, I'm responsible to come up with a reasonable concept for the openSUSE wiki. Our goal is to clean up the current wiki and enhance its maintainabilty and consistency, while supporting the openSUSE community with the concept implementation. In order to provide a better wiki experience to the openSUSE community and to enhance the content quality from a long term perspective, I'd like to propose the following changes to the openSUSE wiki organisation and discuss these with the openSUSE community. That said, I'm certainly committed to this concept from a long term perspective. --- Overview/Portal Page We need a proper Entry page to the openSUSE wiki. The current http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org does not reflect the character of a documentation ressource. I'm aware of the issue that it may not be possible to change this particular page due to political reasons, but what we can certainly do, is introducing an overview/portal page that is accessible by clicking the link "Wiki" in the upper left corner of the current startpage (so to speak as a buffer when accessing the openSUSE wiki). This is, from my perspective, particularly important as we need a central place where to get started – a place where we categorize/index the existing content and provide easy access to the Usage Guideline, FAQ, the Wiki Forum (see below) and related support information. A general approach that already starts implementing this idea is available at http://en.opensuse.org/Portal - credit goes to Wiki Team Member Rajko_m. Usage Guidelines In order to ensure the quality of wiki articles, we need to create a Usage Guideline for editors. I mean, the wiki documentation should be easy to read, to understand and to maintain, but this cannot be achieved without a proper hand-holding documentation about wiki editing. While this information is already available (in parts), it is currently not easily accessible and we need to change this. The Usage Guideline should contain information about proper design, formulation, conception and syntax of wiki articles. That way we can guarantee a consistent overall openSUSE wiki experience for the user. Sandbox Editing Currently we have no QA and publishing processes for wiki articles. This makes it very hard to assure a consistent quality across all articles. In the past several approaches were made to clean up and scan the wiki in order to sort and merge articles, to assure a consistent quality, to merge duplicates, introduce meaningful categories etc. However, we are still not where we want to be. Therefore I would suggest to implement a publishing/QA process. This process would look like the following: we introduce Sandbox editing for new articles. We create a namespace "Sandbox" where every new article will be created initially. As soon as the author of the new article feels the result sufficient and conform with the Usage Guideline, he presents the new article to the openSUSE community for reviewing/commenting purposes. This can be done by presenting the Sandbox article at @opensuse-wiki ML and/or a dedicated Wiki forum at forums.opensuse.org – I myself propose the creation of a Wiki forum to be able to reach out to a much broader audience than the @opensuse-wiki ML could ever provide. Once the review process is done and the new article meets the QA standards and Usage Guideline, a wiki moderator moves the article out of the "Sandbox" namespace. That way non-reviewed content won't end up in the wiki at all. While the sandbox model will help us with new articles, it does not solve the problems we have with the existing wiki content. therefore I would propose to introduce... Namespace "new-wiki" In order to cleanup and re-organize the current wiki content, we introduce a namespace "new-wiki" where we can build the new openSUSE wiki. Migrating of existing content will then be done from the current wiki to the "new-wiki" namespace. Wiki Team Member Fsundermeyer already got started with a QA process for existing articles at http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Checked_Pages. Every new article not yet available in the current wiki needs to be introduced via the namespace "Sandbox" into the namespace "new-wiki". This approach ensures the continous operation of the current wiki while building the new one in parallel. Every article transferred to "new-wiki" needs to pass the standards defined in the Usage Guideline, newly created articles need to pass the reviewing process. and to introduce... Minor/Major Editing Existing articles can be edited by everyone, although we'll encourage the openSUSE community (within the Usage Guidelines) to make only minor edits, such as spelling corrections, fixing links, etc to existing pages. Whenever a major edit to an existing wiki-page needs to be done, the author needs to request a working copy of the page in "Sandbox" while the existing page remains untouched. Once the working copy in "Sandbox" is done, the new article (major edit) needs to pass the defined Sandbox reviewing process and afterwards the existing page may (or may not) be replaced with the working copy from Sandbox – this decision is the sole responsibility of the wiki moderators. Semantic MediaWiki We'll utilize the Semantic MediaWiki extension in order to enhance the openSUSE wiki search results. Within the Usage Guideline (as part of the QA standards), we encourage the openSUSE community to use the tags of this particular extension while creating new articles in "Sandbox". More information about Semantic MediaWiki can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki Wiki Team We need to strengthen the existing Wiki Team with openSUSE community members. Furthermore we need to define the role and responsibility of a Wiki Team Member. Responsibilities I can think of currently: 1.ensure the conformity of the wiki content with the Usage Guideline 2.instruct editors how to write articles 3.categorize/index articles and create overview pages 4.take care of the Wiki forum/ML and gather community suggestions 5.responsibility for the Sandbox reviewing process The major responsibility therefore is not to write articles but to take care of the proper operation of the wiki in a moderating, assisting and supporting capacity. --- I certainly do not claim this concept-proposal to be complete yet, but I'd like to encourage you to provide feedback and ideas. Let's brainstorm together and improve/expand this concept-proposal to finally come up with a concept that addresses the current drawbacks of the wiki organisation, its quality, its usability and maintainability. I sent this concept-proposal to @wiki and @boosters MLs as we certainly need to sync the process we make with the openSUSE boosters team. Please let the discussion take place on @wiki ML though to avoid a split of the discussion. Thanks, Rupert -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Self-Introduction - openSUSE Community Assistant
by Rupert Horstkötter 15 Oct '09

15 Oct '09

Hi, please let me introduce myself. My name is Rupert, I'm 28 and I'm currently on the home stretch of studying business administration and electrical engineering at Darmstadt University of Technology. I've been involved with the openSUSE Project for several years. I served as the Project Manager of the openSUSE Forums Merge, I initiated the openSUSE Forums section at the openSUSE Weekly Newsletter and I contributed as a moderator at the openSUSE Forums to the openSUSE community. I was employed twice at Novell/SUSE - as an Intern in Product Management in 2007/2008 and as a Workstudent for Community Architecture in 2008/2009. As of the 1st of October 2009, I'm sponsored by open-slx.com to work for the openSUSE Project as openSUSE Community Assistant. I'm really looking forward to collaborate with several openSUSE teams on improving openSUSE documentation and community resources - namely the openSUSE wiki, the openSUSE Forums, the SDB and other support information for openSUSE. My current focus is to work on a concept for the openSUSE wiki to improve the content quality, to enhance its usability and to improve its maintainability. Have a lot of fun! Rupert -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Naming of wiki-pages in different languages...
by Kenny Verstraete 15 Oct '09

15 Oct '09

Hello A little question about translating wiki pages and pointing to the same pages in another language. I've always tried to keep pages, and definitely links to them, in english. So the page /Education/Application/Desktop would be a correct link, either in english, deutsch, dutch, etc... In some way, it's recommended doing so if i can recall. But i've seen that this creates a bunch of pages that are actually doubles. They're just there to make sure the links work and redirect to the pages with language specific naming. Not every language specific wiki follows this, so I'd like to ask... should I keep on following the naming so that it's always reachable with the english naming, or can I go freely with translated pagenames? (with of course the inconsistency issue in pointing to other languages with links) Thank you and have a nice day! Greetz, Kenny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: Revised:Re: [opensuse-wiki] openSUSE:Checked Pages & Portal - Query]
by Rajko M. 14 Oct '09

14 Oct '09

On Wednesday 14 October 2009 03:14:14 Shayon wrote: > So should i continue with openSUSE:Checked pages.As i suppose ,i am able > to do the tasks in the required manner? :) > In short, yes. But, don't do language corrections, unless the error is really obvious, that part should be left to the native English speakers. -- Regards, Rajko OpenSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Revised:Re: [opensuse-wiki] openSUSE:Checked Pages & Portal - Query]
by Shayon 14 Oct '09

14 Oct '09

Rajko M. wrote: > The Portal/All is manually updated from time to time, as the only maintainer > is me, so it is not complete list of all pages. The idea behind is to have all > pages listed by alphabet, one line per title (wiki article) which more > readable then current Special:Allpages that lists articles in 3 columns from > left to right. The reason that update doesn't happen more often is that I lost > few scripts that were used to create text with wiki syntax that I can simply > copy and paste to Portal/All, and after so long time I would have to start > from scratch, as I have just dim idea what I used in the script[s]. > > The method that uses Special:Allpages is better idea, as they are always up to > date. > Ohk fine,so is there a need to configure pages in the -http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Checked_Pages.?SO that it can be added to Portal/All later on.? Thank You! Warm regards Wwarlock(Shayon) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Re: [opensuse] opeSUSE wiki needs editors
by Shayon 13 Oct '09

13 Oct '09

Rajko M. wrote: > After sending answer to Dave, I was thinking what is the least intrusive form > of notification, that will give hints, but prevent replies and discussion on > this list. > > IMHO, short mail containing digest of topics covered in regular email to > opensuse-wiki ML, with added link to archived version on lists.opensuse.org > will be the best choice. > Hello, Fine,i agree to it.But it will be including only the topics discussed in the ML.What about some of the articles(which has to be edited)which are not discussed?I hope i made my point clear (General) :). Warm Regards Wwarlock(Shayon) "Computer is just not a Desktop,it is more than that,IT IS LINUX!!" :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] openSUSE:Checked Pages & Portal - Query
by Shayon 13 Oct '09

13 Oct '09

Hello ppl, I just saw that under the section ALL ARTICLES-Portal(http://en.opensuse.org/Portal/All) almost all pages are mentioned(configured),while i dont see them on opensuse:checked pages(http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Checked_Pages).I have currently finished checking and maintaining out the Z page,now i am going for the X.SO i wanted to know is there a need to do that(maintaining checked pages)?OR the section ALL ARTICLES is totally configured? Warm Regards Wwarlock(Shayon) "Computer is just not a Desktop,it is more than that,IT IS LINUX!!" :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Wiki requested extensions
by Clayton 13 Oct '09

13 Oct '09

I was just looking through the requested extensions list, and noticed this one: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions#Extension:WikiPDF I've done a LOT of work on MediaWiki to PDF on the OpenOffice.org Wiki and we went with this extension instead: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection Is there any particular reason that WikiPDF was requested over Collection? I found the Collection concept to be very very useful... particularly the ability to create "books" from a stack of Wiki pages C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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