Hi, the last 2 days i was working on the new listserver trying out what we can use a archive software etc. I think im going to use MHonArc[1] with the following layout (hacked together by me influenced by macho[2]) http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/ What do you people think of it? Some questions i have: Do we need year folders? Like opensuse/2006/monthindex Do we need month folders? Like opensuse/2006/01/mailindexes Henne p.s. i know we need search. Im looking at the moment into swish-e... [1] http://www.mhonarc.org/ [2] http://common-lisp.net/project/macho/ -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire)
Henne Vogelsang wrote:
[...]
http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/
What do you people think of it?
I think, a date/time stamp for each email (e.g. after the author's name) would be helpful. The suse-* lists have a setup like this, see e.g. http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Feb/ And *please* avoid to archive SPAM emails. An email archive starting like this one, http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux/2006-Feb/, is not very attractive ;-) Cheers, Th.
Hi, On Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 19:35:23, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Henne Vogelsang wrote:
[...]
http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/
What do you people think of it?
I think, a date/time stamp for each email (e.g. after the author's name) would be helpful.
Ah yes forgot that.
And *please* avoid to archive SPAM emails. An email archive starting like this one, http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux/2006-Feb/, is not very attractive ;-)
This is because it is relatively easy to inject SPAM into ezmlm. We wont have that with the new lists setup. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway
Hello, Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 20:41 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
On Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 19:35:23, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Henne Vogelsang wrote: [...] And *please* avoid to archive SPAM emails. An email archive starting like this one, http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux/2006-Feb/, is not very attractive ;-)
ACK - will the list archives be cleaned up? (could be automated - check for mails with "SPAM:" in the subject)
This is because it is relatively easy to inject SPAM into ezmlm. We wont have that with the new lists setup.
Hmm, but this spam never gets delivered to the lists?! At least I don't see it - and I'm sure my spam filter does not delete any mails, it just tags them. Why this? Regards, Christian Boltz -- martins@apollo:~> telnet titanic.st.bauing.tu-darmstadt.de 25 Trying 130.83.84.100... telnet: connect to address 130.83.84.100: Connection refused "titanic..." nimmt keine Mail an, vermutlich ist der Rechner untergegangen. ;-) [Martin Schmitz in suse-linux]
Christian Boltz wrote:
Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 20:41 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
On Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 19:35:23, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Henne Vogelsang wrote: [...] And *please* avoid to archive SPAM emails. An email archive starting like this one, http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux/2006-Feb/, is not very attractive ;-) [...] This is because it is relatively easy to inject SPAM into ezmlm. We wont have that with the new lists setup.
Hmm, but this spam never gets delivered to the lists?! At least I don't see it - and I'm sure my spam filter does not delete any mails, it just tags them.
Why this?
That's also something I don't understand. I thought there is a special subscriber to the list (a special SuSE email account or something like that) that receives the emails exactly the way a normal subscriber does and creates the archive from those emails. I guess, the archive at, for instance, MARC is created that way, and there are no SPAM emails involved. It seems that the archive at SuSE is created before the emails were filtered. That's a bit odd... And it should be changed if possible. Cheers, Th.
Hi, On Monday, February 13, 2006 at 19:09:04, Christian Boltz wrote:
Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 20:41 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
On Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 19:35:23, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Henne Vogelsang wrote: [...] And *please* avoid to archive SPAM emails. An email archive starting like this one, http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux/2006-Feb/, is not very attractive ;-)
ACK - will the list archives be cleaned up?
At the moment i really have more important things to do. There is a bug about it and i will clean them up once i have time..
This is because it is relatively easy to inject SPAM into ezmlm. We wont have that with the new lists setup.
Hmm, but this spam never gets delivered to the lists?!
Exactly. Its an archive injection. Its possible with ezmlm. Of course i wont tell you how ;) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire)
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 08:04:46PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hi,
the last 2 days i was working on the new listserver trying out what we can use a archive software etc.
I think im going to use MHonArc[1] with the following layout (hacked together by me influenced by macho[2])
http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/
What do you people think of it?
Some questions i have:
Do we need year folders? Like opensuse/2006/monthindex Do we need month folders? Like opensuse/2006/01/mailindexes
A year folder would be fairly useless because of the amount of posts. A minor disadvatage by a monthindex is that if you want to follow a thread that goes on to a next month, you need to do the search again. Having the autors is nice when you are looking for postings from Adrian or Alain. Not so nice if you are looking for Thomas or XinWei. Also strange that the first two are not in alphabetical order. houghi -- If they can make penicillin out of moldy bread, they can sure make something out of you. -- Muhammad Ali
Hi, On Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 20:37:33, houghi wrote:
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 08:04:46PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
the last 2 days i was working on the new listserver trying out what we can use a archive software etc.
I think im going to use MHonArc[1] with the following layout (hacked together by me influenced by macho[2])
http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/
What do you people think of it?
Some questions i have:
Do we need year folders? Like opensuse/2006/monthindex Do we need month folders? Like opensuse/2006/01/mailindexes
A year folder would be fairly useless because of the amount of posts. A minor disadvatage by a monthindex is that if you want to follow a thread that goes on to a next month, you need to do the search again.
So should i do a mainpage like it is done here http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/ Maybe we dont need that at all. Im not sure but isnt an index page with the last 100 posts, the links to older pages and a search engine is enough. Opinions?
Also strange that the first two are not in alphabetical order.
I guess because of special characters (é, ö) which are by RFC not allowed in mail headers. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 09:15:09PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
A year folder would be fairly useless because of the amount of posts. A minor disadvatage by a monthindex is that if you want to follow a thread that goes on to a next month, you need to do the search again.
So should i do a mainpage like it is done here
http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/
Maybe we dont need that at all. Im not sure but isnt an index page with the last 100 posts, the links to older pages and a search engine is enough. Opinions?
That should be enough. However there should be something more then just next/previous page. When there are a LOT of postings, be it if you look by autor, by thread or by date. Browsing by clicking 'next' several times is not very nice.
Also strange that the first two are not in alphabetical order.
I guess because of special characters (é, ö) which are by RFC not allowed in mail headers.
Could be. Then there are three names that are not in order and Adrian Schröter is there just by coincidence. This would also mean that names with special characters would be in a random order and harder to find. This could cause problems on lists with many subscribers. I also like the messages themselves with the links next to it. I personaly would place them on the other side. I would also use css instead of tables. If you use the ones from openSUSE, you could create a much more consistent look. Other people could send in their css files and with a cookie people can change the look to whatever they like. houghi -- Law of the Perversity of Nature: You cannot successfully determine beforehand which side of the bread to butter.
Hi, On Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 22:05:48, houghi wrote:
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 09:15:09PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
A year folder would be fairly useless because of the amount of posts. A minor disadvatage by a monthindex is that if you want to follow a thread that goes on to a next month, you need to do the search again.
So should i do a mainpage like it is done here
http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/
Maybe we dont need that at all. Im not sure but isnt an index page with the last 100 posts, the links to older pages and a search engine is enough. Opinions?
That should be enough. However there should be something more then just next/previous page. When there are a LOT of postings, be it if you look by autor, by thread or by date. Browsing by clicking 'next' several times is not very nice.
Yeah i have to look into that.
Also strange that the first two are not in alphabetical order.
I guess because of special characters (é, ö) which are by RFC not allowed in mail headers.
Could be. Then there are three names that are not in order and Adrian Schröter is there just by coincidence.
Yeah.
This would also mean that names with special characters would be in a random order and harder to find. This could cause problems on lists with many subscribers.
Then those subscribers should fix their mail setup :)
I also like the messages themselves with the links next to it. I personaly would place them on the other side.
Me too but afaics not possible because of the way MHonArc is creating these pages.
I would also use css instead of tables. If you use the ones from openSUSE, you could create a much more consistent look. Other people could send in their css files and with a cookie people can change the look to whatever they like.
Please go ahead an css'ify it. Or someone else that is a html wizz. Im not :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 10:20:25PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
I also like the messages themselves with the links next to it. I personaly would place them on the other side.
Me too but afaics not possible because of the way MHonArc is creating these pages.
It will be possible once you have created a css version.
I would also use css instead of tables. If you use the ones from openSUSE, you could create a much more consistent look. Other people could send in their css files and with a cookie people can change the look to whatever they like.
Please go ahead an css'ify it. Or someone else that is a html wizz. Im not :)
I am by no means a css or html wizz, but I will see what I can do. houghi -- Where humor is concerned there are no standards -- no one can say what is good or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will. -- John Kenneth Galbraith
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 06:38:24AM +0100, houghi wrote:
I am by no means a css or html wizz, but I will see what I can do.
Well. I did it. There is a test at http://houghi.org/suse/suse.php Some comments on it. 1) Only tested in Firefox. Anything else might cause problems 2) I know the names are too small. I hope you get the idea. The size of those names should be larger. I did not look for a solution. 3) I needed to shorten the names in Author , Date and Thread index, because otherwise it would go over two lines. 4) The only change I have done on the css files is on `#topnav ul li a` where the maxwith is now 0 in opensuse.css 5) I put the page in php, so it is easier for me with 'include' 6) The file is also available as txt : http://houghi.org/suse/suse.php.txt 7) Other files it uses are in the directory. 8) The links don't work. I asume you will recognize the layout. ;-) If the css for openSUSE changes, the list will also adapt. It will give a uniform feeling to the site. I have put the search in there already. :-) Please comment, but please have the above comments in mind. This is just about the layout. I have no idea how easy or hard it is to actually implement this and yes houghi -- There are three things I always forget. Names, faces -- the third I can't remember. -- Italo Svevo
Hi, On Monday, February 13, 2006 at 11:24:22, houghi wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 06:38:24AM +0100, houghi wrote:
I am by no means a css or html wizz, but I will see what I can do.
Well. I did it. There is a test at http://houghi.org/suse/suse.php
Uhm. Have to redo everything then. Maybe sometime later when i dont have anything else to do. Or you can change it yourself in the mrc files http://hennevogel.de/~hvogel/mhonarc/ Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire)
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:00:10PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hi,
On Monday, February 13, 2006 at 11:24:22, houghi wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 06:38:24AM +0100, houghi wrote:
I am by no means a css or html wizz, but I will see what I can do.
Well. I did it. There is a test at http://houghi.org/suse/suse.php
Uhm. Have to redo everything then. Maybe sometime later when i dont have anything else to do. Or you can change it yourself in the mrc files
OK. Perhaps we first must decide on what goes on the list. Once that is done, the mrc files can be edited. No need to do things twice. It would be nice to already remove the [] around the [Date Prev] and such links. e.g. the following line in author.mrc: <th bgcolor=#ffffff>[<A HREF="date.html">Date Index</A>]</th> Should be <th bgcolor=#ffffff><A HREF="date.html">Date Index</A></th> There are several more lines like that. houghi -- A bird in the bush usually has a friend in there with him.
Hi, On Monday, February 13, 2006 at 15:25:00, houghi wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:00:10PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On Monday, February 13, 2006 at 11:24:22, houghi wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 06:38:24AM +0100, houghi wrote:
I am by no means a css or html wizz, but I will see what I can do.
Well. I did it. There is a test at http://houghi.org/suse/suse.php
Uhm. Have to redo everything then. Maybe sometime later when i dont have anything else to do. Or you can change it yourself in the mrc files
OK. Perhaps we first must decide on what goes on the list. Once that is done, the mrc files can be edited.
Just send me diffs as PM... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire)
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:43:43PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
OK. Perhaps we first must decide on what goes on the list. Once that is done, the mrc files can be edited.
Just send me diffs as PM...
As PM? houghi -- Afternoon very favorable for romance. Try a single person for a change.
Hi, On Monday, February 13, 2006 at 16:26:52, houghi wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:43:43PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
OK. Perhaps we first must decide on what goes on the list. Once that is done, the mrc files can be edited.
Just send me diffs as PM...
As PM?
personal mail a.k.a. not to the list but to me directly... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire)
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 04:29:24PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hi,
On Monday, February 13, 2006 at 16:26:52, houghi wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:43:43PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
OK. Perhaps we first must decide on what goes on the list. Once that is done, the mrc files can be edited.
Just send me diffs as PM...
As PM?
personal mail a.k.a. not to the list but to me directly...
OK. Will wait till the discussion is over and the decision is made. I would like some feedback what others think about it. Could be that others hate the idea. Or other examples what other people think. houghi -- Cleanliness is next to impossible.
houghi wrote:
Or other examples what other people think.
I like the idea of having the same skin as others opensuse pages, but dont like the content :-) the left colum is too narrow to have subjects, and subjects are always the most important thing may be months or weeks on the left? or first mail of a thread? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
Hello, On Sun, 12 Feb 2006, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Also strange that the first two are not in alphabetical order.
I guess because of special characters (é, ö) which are by RFC not allowed in mail headers.
RfC 2047 says something else. Any non-7-bit ASCII has to be encoded though. But most user-agents have faults encoding and decoding such headers. I know of only 2 not-obviously-faulty MUAs[0], and even those can fail on decoding/reencoding some of the errors introduced by other so-called "MUA"s. Ergo: One SHOULD NOT use anything but plain 7-bit ASCII in headers. And about sorting possibly differently encoded Subjects and Froms in the ML-Archive: Don't even think about it! Henne: let the archiving software decode validly encoded headers _once_ to cater for "sane" headers and forget about doing anything more. There are just too much broken headers out there, with spurious whitespace (and linebreaks) in the middle of encoded-words, with multiply encoded "words"[1] etc.pp... If you try to implement/cater for that you'll go insane. There's ALWAYS yet another piece of crap software sending mails with yet another way of COMPLETELY fucking up the headers... -dnh [0] gnus and mutt [1] such as '=?UTF-8?Q?=3D=3FUTF=2D8=3FQ=3F=3DC3=3DBC=3F=3D?=' and that's a trivial case of encoding twice with only one charset and only QP involved... Go figure what it'd be with Base64 and a bunch of different charsets and, more important, breaking the encoding inbetween, e.g. inserting linebreaks etc... e.g. (still a "simple" case): Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?=3D=3FUTF=2D8=3FQ=3F=3DC3=3F=3D?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D=3FUTF=2D8=3FQ=3F=3DBC=3F=3D?= And that's a single letter "Subject"! You see where I'm getting at? -- <groan> Oh Ghods, not another personality...I'm losing track. Look: Could everyone who is me, please let me know? Thanks. -- Jim
Hello, Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 20:04 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
the last 2 days i was working on the new listserver trying out what we can use a archive software etc.
I think im going to use MHonArc[1] with the following layout (hacked together by me influenced by macho[2])
looks nice ;-) (I guess you'll make / nicer, too ;-)
Some questions i have:
Do we need year folders? Like opensuse/2006/monthindex Do we need month folders? Like opensuse/2006/01/mailindexes
I think: yes. Currently, I see the newest messages on the first page and a link "next page". Imagine what happens if you want to see the list of messages sent some monts ago - "click click click click ..." ;-) (You also can't cache the indexes on the server because they change with every new message.) Additionally, the URL of the message list containing a specific thread will change all over the time because the newest one is numbered "1", the next "2" etc. - that's not a good thing. Additionally, I don't like the restriction to 100 mails per page - people will loose much time by clicking "next". Maybe for the low-traffic lists (*-announce) you don't need to separate the months, but if this would add more work, monthly lists aren't a problem ;-) Another idea would be to have only the first mail of a thread displayed ("thread start" view) - but I guess this isn't that easy ;-) Some thoughts and possible enhancements when displaying a single message: - can you show the Message-ID? It's very useful for searching for a specific mail ;-) - can you highlight the current mail in the "This thread" column? - is quote highlighting possible? - completely hiding mail adresses may be too hard. Also, hiding everything that looks like a mail adress isn't a good idea. For example, a prompt like cb@cboltz:~/test> doesn't need to be encrypted ;-) Unfortunately, in some cases the "xxx wrote" contains the mail adress, so not encrypting mail adresses at all isn't a good solution, too. Regards, Christian Boltz --
Microsoft-Compatible Spongiforme Encephalitis? Setzt das nicht Hirn voraus? Irgendwo müssen doch all die Beschwörungsformeln hin, die man als MCSE auswendig lernen muß. Ein schwammförmiges Gehirn scheint mir dafür durchaus geeignet ... [Aran Kuntze, Gerhard Schromm und Martin Bienwald in dasr]
Hi, On Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 20:45:21, Christian Boltz wrote:
Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 20:04 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
the last 2 days i was working on the new listserver trying out what we can use a archive software etc.
I think im going to use MHonArc[1] with the following layout (hacked together by me influenced by macho[2])
looks nice ;-)
Good :)
(I guess you'll make / nicer, too ;-)
What? I dont understand that sentence.
Some questions i have:
Do we need year folders? Like opensuse/2006/monthindex Do we need month folders? Like opensuse/2006/01/mailindexes
I think: yes.
Currently, I see the newest messages on the first page and a link "next page". Imagine what happens if you want to see the list of messages sent some monts ago - "click click click click ..." ;-)
True.
(You also can't cache the indexes on the server because they change with every new message.)
Thats what you get when you work with variable sources. I dont care about caching..
Additionally, the URL of the message list containing a specific thread will change all over the time because the newest one is numbered "1", the next "2" etc. - that's not a good thing.
Can you elaborate that? I dont get what youre talking about...
Additionally, I don't like the restriction to 100 mails per page - people will loose much time by clicking "next".
What would you say is a reasonable amount of mails?
Another idea would be to have only the first mail of a thread displayed ("thread start" view) - but I guess this isn't that easy ;-)
Thats certainly possible but i dont think this is a good idea. Not with the amount of thread hijacking we see.
Some thoughts and possible enhancements when displaying a single message: - can you show the Message-ID? It's very useful for searching for a specific mail ;-)
The search engine will have an option to seach only for message-id.
- can you highlight the current mail in the "This thread" column?
Will do.
- is quote highlighting possible?
I dont know. I have to look into that. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway
I can be wrong, but I think that standard layout is mostly usefull for the 3 or 4 last month archive. before that only the search engine is really usable and is there an option for a thread only show (only the first post, without [re]? by the way I find only hypermail in Yast :-) may I have missed some yast repository? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
Hello, Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 21:23 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
On Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 20:45:21, Christian Boltz wrote:
Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 20:04 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
looks nice ;-)
Good :)
But houghi's idea looks even better ;-) BTW: I had a short look at the template files - I think it is possible to have a CSS-based layout instead of tables.
(I guess you'll make / nicer, too ;-)
What? I dont understand that sentence.
http://lists4.opensuse.org/ currently uses a plain apache directory index - it should be some nice html. (Or maybe a tuned version of directory index to show new folders automatically ;-) [...]
(You also can't cache the indexes on the server because they change with every new message.)
Thats what you get when you work with variable sources. I dont care about caching..
OK, it's your server that could explode ;-) If you like to rebuilt all index pages of the current month when a new mail arrives, do it...
Additionally, the URL of the message list containing a specific thread will change all over the time because the newest one is numbered "1", the next "2" etc. - that's not a good thing.
Can you elaborate that? I dont get what youre talking about...
Hmm, I was quite sure to see a "newest first" sort order - did you change that? What I meant (given the "newest first" search order: a mail that is listed on the first page will be on the second page some days later (as new mails move it down), then on the third etc.
Additionally, I don't like the restriction to 100 mails per page - people will loose much time by clicking "next".
What would you say is a reasonable amount of mails?
Your new value 500 is already better. I even thought about the whole month as in the lists.suse.com archives.
Another idea would be to have only the first mail of a thread displayed ("thread start" view) - but I guess this isn't that easy ;-)
Thats certainly possible but i dont think this is a good idea. Not with the amount of thread hijacking we see.
Good point, but the question is what would hit us more: - "loosing" some mails because of thread hijacking or - having unhandy index pages with all replies I think the advantage of a "thread start" view is more important.
Some thoughts and possible enhancements when displaying a single message: - can you show the Message-ID? It's very useful for searching for a specific mail ;-)
The search engine will have an option to seach only for message-id.
Is it difficult to display the Message-ID in the rendered HTML? If not, allow Google to search for Message-IDs also ;-)
- can you highlight the current mail in the "This thread" column?
Will do.
OK.
- is quote highlighting possible?
I dont know. I have to look into that.
Good luck ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz --
ich habe folgendes merkwürdiges Problem. Ich greife mit einem SuSE 8.2 Linux-Server über ncpmount auf die Ordner eines Novell-Servers zu. [...] Eine Datei mit Namen "Besprechung BMI - Microsoft Select Verträge.pdf" wird nicht angezeigt. Linux Server haben auch ihren Stolz.... [> Thomas Albl und Stefan Onken in suse-linux]
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 07:47:30PM +0100, Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello,
Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 21:23 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
On Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 20:45:21, Christian Boltz wrote:
Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 20:04 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
looks nice ;-)
Good :)
But houghi's idea looks even better ;-)
Thanks. (Well, thank the opemSUSE webmaster for making the css file. :-)
BTW: I had a short look at the template files - I think it is possible to have a CSS-based layout instead of tables.
Should indeed be not too hard. I would however want to wait for a final version concerning content. houghi -- Nondeterminism means never having to say you are wrong.
Am Sun, 12. February 2006 20:04 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
Hi,
the last 2 days i was working on the new listserver trying out what we can use a archive software etc.
I think im going to use MHonArc[1] with the following layout (hacked together by me influenced by macho[2])
http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/
What do you people think of it? What would be good is to offer gzip'ed mbox files for download and import them to userhome. I myself use such as a easy way to import the mails for a new mailing list I'm subscribing. So it's quite easy going to have all mails of the last month(s) as a starting point. You will find some list out there in the wild which offer this.
Some questions i have:
Do we need year folders? Like opensuse/2006/monthindex Do we need month folders? Like opensuse/2006/01/mailindexes
Henne
p.s. i know we need search. Im looking at the moment into swish-e...
:-)) If there will be a list faq as it is for suse-users (de) it might be good to have an example how to use swish++ for local mailfolder indexing. Also a howto/sdb how to set up a MhonArc for home use might be interesting for some of us. At least those who will be on the list for a longer period of time it might be interesting to have their own archive, at least for those who suffer on low quality inet connections.
[1] http://www.mhonarc.org/ [2] http://common-lisp.net/project/macho/
regards, Thomas
Hi,
the last 2 days i was working on the new listserver trying out what we can use a archive software etc.
I think im going to use MHonArc[1] with the following layout (hacked together by me influenced by macho[2])
http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/
What do you people think of it?
Some questions i have:
Do we need year folders? Like opensuse/2006/monthindex Do we need month folders? Like opensuse/2006/01/mailindexes
Henne
p.s. i know we need search. Im looking at the moment into swish-e...
[1] http://www.mhonarc.org/ [2] http://common-lisp.net/project/macho/
It sounds a bit stupid maybe, but for me it is annoying to see a list like that. I know it is 'the default look', but is it a problem to have an empty line <br /> between the topics? It would make the list more friendly for new people. A1: Yearfolders make it clear if a post is outdated, you would see it in the searchmachines. A2: Monthfolders the same as above, but optional... ps. could it be used as sitemap? That would make that the new pages are in searchindexes within 24 hour. And newbie users always check firts Yahoo or Google for an solution... Azerion
Hello, Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 22:51 schrieb Azerion - Gmail: [new mailinglist archives]
It sounds a bit stupid maybe, but for me it is annoying to see a list like that. I know it is 'the default look', but is it a problem to have an empty line <br /> between the topics? It would make the list more friendly for new people.
The list is based on nested <ul>/<li> tags, so it's easy to do this using CSS ;-) (@Henne: mail me if you need help with CSS ;-)
ps. could it be used as sitemap? That would make that the new pages are in searchindexes within 24 hour. And newbie users always check firts Yahoo or Google for an solution...
If you provide such a sidemap... ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- ich programmiere eigentlich in C++. Das erklärt meinen stümperhaften Versuch eine Sicherheitsaufgabe durch ein Sicherheitsproblem zu überwachen :-) [Lothar Behrens in suse-linux]
At 06:04 AM 13/02/2006, you wrote:
Hi,
the last 2 days i was working on the new listserver trying out what we can use a archive software etc.
I think im going to use MHonArc[1] with the following layout (hacked together by me influenced by macho[2])
http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/
What do you people think of it?
Some questions i have:
Do we need year folders? Like opensuse/2006/monthindex
yes, if it was an thread / topic index folder only, no actual messages! It would need carefull indexing though. otherwise however, i'm not sure it's worth.
Do we need month folders? Like opensuse/2006/01/mailindexes
yes and even day folders once they are up and running (check W3's (w3.org) if you want to see how full they now get)
Henne
p.s. i know we need search. Im looking at the moment into swish-e...
[1] http://www.mhonarc.org/ [2] http://common-lisp.net/project/macho/
sorry, have no comment other than "this is a must and what is internally missing in the normal suse" (yes i know their available externally) regards from australia and keep up the good work scsijon
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Henne Vogelsang -
Henne Vogelsang -
houghi -
jdd -
scsijon -
Thomas Hertweck