[opensuse] Re: Re style posting provides useful information; Simple HTML should also be allowed.

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Charles Philip Chan

26 Sep 2009 26 Sep '09

15:12

Greg Freemyer writes:

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The biggest functional use is tables. If you want a nice looking table, rich text is almost mandatory.

This is a straw man argument. People have been creating plain text tables since the beginning of email. For example: | Header 1 | Header 2 | Header 3 | Header 4 | Header 5 | |----------+----------+----------+----------+----------| | Item 1 | Item 2 | Item 3 | Item 4 | Item 5 | | Item 6 | Item 7 | Item 8 | Item 9 | Item 10 | Some programs even have functions to help you create them. The above simple example was done with the help of org-table-minor-mode: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/org/Built_002din-table-ed... Also good mailers will also understand and display emailer markups such as: *Bold* /Italic/ _Underscore_ and fontifies plain text URLs and made them clickable. Charles -- "We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." (Linus Torvalds about the superiority of Linux on the Amterdam Linux Symposium)

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Greg Freemyer

28 Sep 28 Sep

01:05

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Re style posting provides useful information; Simple HTML should also be allowed.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Charles Philip Chan wrote:

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Greg Freemyer writes:

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The biggest functional use is tables. If you want a nice looking table, rich text is almost mandatory.

This is a straw man argument. People have been creating plain text tables since the beginning of email. For example:

| Header 1 | Header 2 | Header 3 | Header 4 | Header 5 | |----------+----------+----------+----------+----------| | Item 1 | Item 2 | Item 3 | Item 4 | Item 5 | | Item 6 | Item 7 | Item 8 | Item 9 | Item 10 |

You do realize your example looks like crap if you don't use a fixed width font. I use gmail as my email client much of the time, and it uses a proportional font and thus your table does not line up at all. If you need to specify a font such as your example needs, then I think you need html. As to *bold*, gmail for one does not honor that. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

02:09

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Re style posting provides useful information; Simple HTML should also be allowed.

* Greg Freemyer [09-27-09 21:07]:

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As to *bold*, gmail for one does not honor that.

I doubt m$ does either, but *they* do not set the standard however big their heads are! -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Philip Dowie

02:31

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As to *bold*, gmail for one does not honor that.

I doubt m$ does either, but *they* do not set the standard however big their heads are!

Is there a standard stipulating *bold*, _underline_ and /italics/ ? (Just curious) PS: m$ doesn't honor them. At least, not in Outhouse 2007. I see stars, underscores and slashes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

02:59

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Re style posting provides useful information; Simple HTML should also be allowed.

* Philip Dowie [09-27-09 22:35]:

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Is there a standard stipulating *bold*, _underline_ and /italics/ ? (Just curious)

not to my knowledge :^), just responding to...

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PS: m$ doesn't honor them. At least, not in Outhouse 2007. I see stars, underscores and slashes.

I see the stars, ... in mutt, but my "display filter" changes the color for words enclosed with stars and underlines, but ... enough *is* enough. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Constantinos Galilei

03:03

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Re style posting provides useful information; Simple HTML should also be allowed.

On Sunday September 27 2009 9:59:38 pm Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I see the stars, ... in mutt, but my "display filter" changes the color for words enclosed with stars and underlines, but ... enough *is* enough.

Why is it so bad to see stars? Unless it's from being hit on the head, they're pretty. I wish there was a text representation for quasars. (Sorry. We need a little humor in this thread.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Charles Philip Chan

03:12

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Philip Dowie writes:

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Is there a standard stipulating *bold*, _underline_ and /italics/ ? (Just curious)

Not really a formal standard, but they are conventions since the Usenet days. They even have entries at about.com: 1. *Bold* http://email.about.com/od/netiquettetips/qt/et070205.htm 2. _Underline_ http://email.about.com/cs/netiquettetips/qt/et102301.htm 3. /Italic/ http://email.about.com/od/netiquettetips/qt/et072605.htm Charles -- "I once witnessed a long-winded, month-long flamewar over the use of mice vs. trackballs...It was very silly." (By Matt Welsh)

Charles Philip Chan

02:53

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Greg Freemyer writes:

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You do realize your example looks like crap if you don't use a fixed width font.

True, you need a fixed width font to view an ascii based table. Fixed width fonts is the default for at least all nix based emailers. In gnus, the table is even display in a different color. Charles -- "Never make any mistaeks." (Anonymous, in a mail discussion about to a kernel bug report.)

Carlos E. R.

20:09

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| Header 1 | Header 2 | Header 3 | Header 4 | Header 5 | |----------+----------+----------+----------+----------| | Item 1 | Item 2 | Item 3 | Item 4 | Item 5 | | Item 6 | Item 7 | Item 8 | Item 9 | Item 10 |

You do realize your example looks like crap if you don't use a fixed width font.

I use gmail as my email client much of the time, and it uses a proportional font and thus your table does not line up at all.

Then switch to fixed font. Yes, gmail has that feature. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrBGAEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UQZgCeLTjB07i4JQcKU4iBdp8DqtMH r3oAoJS4+TxjVnIOEHhzgYDZOh5kssCL =BD3f -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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