It's so sad that your sons no longer have any individuality... :(

Note the top post!

(AND the dripping sarcasm...)

I've been around for awhile and have participated in several discussion lists like this one. In most of them, the topic of top-posting vs bottom-posting comes up sooner or later. In many of those, the topic takes on the character of a flame war, some of the discussion lists being destroyed by such wars. In those that survived, not much changed. Some people still top-posted while others still bottom-posted. My point is to be careful with this topic. This is a good list with lots of experienced people helping lots of newbies. Let's not destroy it. Don Henson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2007/09/07 10:01 (GMT-0700) Chuck Davis apparently typed:

I'm an old geezer but have not yet gotten so decrepit that I cannot remember the essence of threads in which I participate. I want replies posted at the top so that I can a) find them easily and b) don't have to wast time scrolling down. Now, if I've forgotten the essence of the thread I can always scroll down to refresh my mind -- which is MY problem, not the other poster's. So I always top post and I want everybody else to top post.

You won't get it from this old geezer. I see hundreds of posts from dozens of mailing lists each day. There's no way I'm going to remember the context of some random reply, so I nearly always have to read some quoted material before the reply can have contextual meaning. A: Because it breaks the logical sequence of the discussion. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -- "It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs, whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape." Chief Justice Joseph Story Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sloan wrote:

What I don't like is having to wade down through the tedious history of a huge series of postings (all of which I've read several times before) just to see a one-line answer buried at the very bottom.

this is also a very bad action by the poster jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 9/7/07, Sloan wrote:

Felix Miata wrote:

...

You won't get it from this old geezer. I see hundreds of posts from dozens of mailing lists each day. There's no way I'm going to remember the context of some random reply, so I nearly always have to read some quoted material before the reply can have contextual meaning.

I don't mind top posts at all, because the subject is enough to give me context. The answer is what I want, and quickly. A small snippet of the previous thread, just enough to give context, is optimal, and I don't care too much if it's above or below the answer.

What I don't like is having to wade down through the tedious history of a huge series of postings (all of which I've read several times before) just to see a one-line answer buried at the very bottom.

Joe

Joe, You might want to experiment with gmail. It takes all quoted text and hides it behind a hypertext that says "- Show quoted text -" most of the time. Then if you need the context you just click on it. I too read hundreds of list based emails a day. I only expand the quoted text a couple times a day (if that). Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Friday 2007-09-07 at 14:07 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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You might want to experiment with gmail. It takes all quoted text and hides it behind a hypertext that says "- Show quoted text -" most of the time.

This has the side effect that when people reply, they "forget" to remove the extra material, because they don't see it.

Bottom posting without removing extra quotes is, IMO, somewhat worse than top posting.

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Michael Skiba wrote:

Am Freitag, 7. September 2007 22:46:22 schrieb Aaron Kulkis:

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Bottom posting without removing extra quotes is, IMO, somewhat worse than top posting. Indeed, for a couple of years, I once did that deliberately with ALL messages to soc.singles, just because the majority of the participants on that newsgroup were assholes.

Afaik it's something different on newsgroups! Where an answer can arrive before the original post. It's not the same as a ML ;)

Out-of-order delivery happens on mailing lists, too. I notice it frequently (several times/week)

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What you two think or want is completely irrelevant, for 2 reasons: 1) You are not the moderators of the list 2) The moderator couldnt care less about that topic, it seems But its good you guys send those passionate emails telling what you guys think and stuff, so you can let go with your internal emotions and you will have a better day. Just let go, cry or shout if you feel like too. Then take a deep breath and continue with your life. Marcio --- Druid PS: I top posted and bottom posted this reply so everybody will feel all warm and fuzzy On 9/7/07, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2007/09/07 10:01 (GMT-0700) Chuck Davis apparently typed:

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I'm an old geezer but have not yet gotten so decrepit that I cannot remember the essence of threads in which I participate. I want replies posted at the top so that I can a) find them easily and b) don't have to wast time scrolling down. Now, if I've forgotten the essence of the thread I can always scroll down to refresh my mind -- which is MY problem, not the other poster's. So I always top post and I want everybody else to top post.

You won't get it from this old geezer. I see hundreds of posts from dozens of mailing lists each day. There's no way I'm going to remember the context of some random reply, so I nearly always have to read some quoted material before the reply can have contextual meaning.

A: Because it breaks the logical sequence of the discussion. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -- "It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs, whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape." Chief Justice Joseph Story

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What you two think or want is completely irrelevant, for 2 reasons: 1) You are not the moderators of the list 2) The moderator couldnt care less about that topic, it seems But its good you guys send those passionate emails telling what you guys think and stuff, so you can let go with your internal emotions and you will have a better day. Just let go, cry or shout if you feel like too. Then take a deep breath and continue with your life. Marcio --- Druid PS: I top posted and bottom posted this reply so everybody will feel all warm and fuzzy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Druid wrote:-

What you two think or want is completely irrelevant, for 2 reasons:

Well, not quite irrelevant. It may be to you, but it isn't to them.

1) You are not the moderators of the list

There are no moderators of this list.

2) The moderator couldnt care less about that topic, it seems

I'm pretty sure you've read this before but, just in case you missed it, there are no moderators of this list. <snip>

PS: I top posted and bottom posted this reply so everybody will feel all warm and fuzzy

Not specifically aimed at you, but this seems like a good place to add it. It would appear that a lot of the users of this list could do with reading this: URL:http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette and specifically this part: URL:http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette#Bottom_post Regards, David Bolt -- Member of Team Acorn checking nodes at 100 Mnodes/s: www.distributed.net RISC OS 3.11 | SUSE 10.0 32bit | SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit RISC OS 3.6 | SUSE 10.0 64bit | SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit TOS 4.02 | SUSE 9.3 32bit | | openSUSE 10.3b2 32bit -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 07 September 2007 22:11, Druid wrote:

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There are no moderators of this list.

In case you are not sure, Ill take some time to explain. There is a guy, who knows the root password for the server in which the mailing list software, and probably the smtp server for this domain is installed. And this guy, having the powers to change settings in the list, he can be considered a moderator, or whatever.

Since there are no moderators in the list, fuck off with the "oh post this or that way". I dont give a damn, go express your life frustration elsewhere.

...

...

2) The moderator couldnt care less about that topic, it seems

I'm pretty sure you've read this before but, just in case you missed it, there are no moderators of this list.

Again, read the root password etc etc etc. If the guy with the root password was giving a damn about that, he would be doing something. Since he is not doing a thing, and since you are not the guy with the root password, fuck off again.

...

Not specifically aimed at you, but this seems like a good place to add it. It would appear that a lot of the users of this list could do with reading this:

Sure. Now fuck off

Hi Marcio, You are a super grade A #1 asshole. Bye Marcio, <plonk> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Druid wrote:

...

There are no moderators of this list.

In case you are not sure, Ill take some time to explain. There is a guy, who knows the root password for the server in which the mailing list software, and probably the smtp server for this domain is installed. And this guy, having the powers to change settings in the list, he can be considered a moderator, or whatever.

This is an open list. It is NOT moderated. Just because someone has a root password doesn't make them a moderator. A moderator MODERATES. If nobody MODERATES the list, then it is UNMODERATED.

Since there are no moderators in the list, fuck off with the "oh post this or that way". I dont give a damn, go express your life frustration elsewhere.

Fuck you too, you conceited asshole.

...

...

2) The moderator couldnt care less about that topic, it seems I'm pretty sure you've read this before but, just in case you missed it, there are no moderators of this list.

Again, read the root password etc etc etc. If the guy with the root password was giving a damn about that, he would be doing something. Since he is not doing a thing, and since you are not the guy with the root password, fuck off again.

Posessing the root password does not make ANYONE a moderator. Get that through your thick, shit-filled, maggot-infested skull.

...

Not specifically aimed at you, but this seems like a good place to add it. It would appear that a lot of the users of this list could do with reading this:

Sure. Now fuck off

You were already instructed to do that several hours ago.

Best regards

Marcio --- Druid

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oh please, children behave like grown ups or go in the sandbox to play. This ain't nice to read anymore

anymore? Oh, you mean now it aint funny anymore? hahahahah

Act mature: There are people who recognize a discussion is senseless and

there are? where?

(And no, I don't want a reply on this! It stands there as it is, and I guess most grown up readers agree with me that, it's annoying, reading senseless insulting)

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On Saturday 08 September 2007 15:27, Billie Walsh wrote:

The fall back position when running out of intelligence is usually insults and profanity.

I just think it's hilarious that these two are going at each other instead of the rest of us. Isn't it amazing how they were attracted to each other. Both are showing their maturity and intelligence. It just appears to the rest of the world that they are lacking in both. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 4:38pm up 23 days 20:11, 5 users, load average: 2.02, 2.11, 2.14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Don't worry, he won't be bothering this or any list quite shortly.

You are just retarded. I mean, you should be in a mental health institution or something... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Druid wrote:

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Don't worry, he won't be bothering this or any list quite shortly.

You are just retarded. I mean, you should be in a mental health institution or something...

The beatings will now commence and continue until my morale improves. And if you come back ill-behaved, the complexity of your problem will increase geometrically. I do NOT suffer fools like you, and neither should the rest of the list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

oh, seems the BCCed message didnt make it. Dont worry, Ill make it available here: Here it goes. Read it, its fun. To: abuse@gmail.com, abuse@att.com, abuse@sbcglobal.net spam@uce.gov Subject: Abuse report of spam coming from adsl-76-226-66-120.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net Hi, abuse response teams Im having a problem with an account of your domain adsl-76-226-66-120.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [76.226.66.120]

From what I can tell he is using a Linux OS, and has set a cron job to send 12 email messages every 30 minutes to my email account using his nail program attaching a 1MB of binary data, which seem its clearly an automated spam incident.

I received today from in my account 150 messages of 1MB each from this ip, with a fake name: Return-Path: adsl-76-226-66-120.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [76.226.66.120] Subject: This shit will continue until you correct your behavior At the end of the email there is a complete header from stmp server identifying the IP, times and dates of the incident. From the best I can tell the IP hasnt changed today so you can pin point precisely where this came from, despite being an adsl range. Funny enough the guy left his name in the email (Aaron Kulkis), apparently because this data was set in his linux account This is clearly an abuse of conduct, and at the same time spam. The intent, it seems was to flood my account. Since this is a violation of internet good manners (and a violation of the ISP's TOS too), Im asking for you to take some action against it, as this may end in some blacklisting your ISP in smtp blacklists and etc. By now a simple rule to reject mail from that network will do anyway. Despite the use of SPF filtering, I believe google should be checking reverse dns settings and blocking dsl ranges, to avoid this kind of childish behavior. Also I will have to ask google to put you DSL range blacklisted in SPF, to avoid further problems. Im copying the raw headers of one of the emails from google SMTP. Please, let me know if I can give you anymore information. I deleted the messages but I have saved all the headers, in case you want to cross those data with your own logs. Thanks a lot Marcio Ferreira --- System Administrator /* HEADERS */ Delivered-To: marcio.ferreira@gmail.com Received: by 10.143.32.19 with SMTP id k19cs142480wfj; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.62.19 with SMTP id p19mr3720737pyk.1189277810643; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from kulkix.kulkinet (adsl-76-226-66-120.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [76.226.66.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id f45si3426818pyh.2007.09.08.11.47.20; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 76.226.66.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of akulkis@kulkix.kulkinet) client-ip=76.226.66.120; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 76.226.66.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of akulkis@kulkix.kulkinet) smtp.mail=akulkis@kulkix.kulkinet Received: by kulkix.kulkinet (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ABAF010C34; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:40:51 -0400 To: marcio.ferreira@gmail.com Subject: This shit will continue until you correct your behavior User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Message-Id: <20070908184051.ABAF010C34@kulkix.kulkinet> From: akulkis@kulkix.kulkinet (Aaron Kulkis) <attachment deleted> Delivered-To: marcio.ferreira@gmail.com Received: by 10.143.32.19 with SMTP id k19cs151821wfj; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.183.7 with SMTP id k7mr6205238qbp.1189287614547; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from kulkix.kulkinet (adsl-76-226-66-120.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [76.226.66.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 12si8749097nzn.2007.09.08.14.39.16; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 76.226.66.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of akulkis@kulkix.kulkinet) client-ip=76.226.66.120; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 76.226.66.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of akulkis@kulkix.kulkinet) smtp.mail=akulkis@kulkix.kulkinet Received: by kulkix.kulkinet (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7D61210CA2; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 17:39:16 -0400 To: marcio.ferreira@gmail.com Subject: This shit will continue until you correct your behavior User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Message-Id: <20070908213916.7D61210CA2@kulkix.kulkinet> From: akulkis@kulkix.kulkinet (Aaron Kulkis) <attachment deleted> /* END OF HEADERS */ On 9/8/07, Druid wrote:

Hi Aaron,

Your isp and your mom will finally hear from you. Time for you at adsl-76-226-66-120.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [76.226.66.120] to finally get busy.

Have a good time

Fun you know how to use cron, but next time set a fake account. You spam like a little kiddy girl.

Marcio --- Druid

On 9/8/07, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Mike wrote:

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On Saturday 08 September 2007 15:27, Billie Walsh wrote:

...

The fall back position when running out of intelligence is usually insults and profanity.

I just think it's hilarious that these two are going at each other instead of the rest of us. Isn't it amazing how they were attracted to each other. Both are showing their maturity and intelligence. It just appears to the rest of the world that they are lacking in both.

It takes someone with a spine to stand up to arrogant assholes and bullies such as Druid/Marcio.

Don't worry, he won't be bothering this or any list quite shortly.

...

Mike

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heh, funny your mom hasnt donated you to the circus. You could be doing a good clown number Maybe its still in time On 9/8/07, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

Druid wrote:

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Hi Aaron,

Your isp and your mom will finally hear from you. Time for you at adsl-76-226-66-120.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [76.226.66.120] to finally get busy.

what spam?

...

Have a good time

Fun you know how to use cron, but next time set a fake account. You spam like a little kiddy girl.

Marcio --- Druid

On 9/8/07, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Mike wrote:

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On Saturday 08 September 2007 15:27, Billie Walsh wrote:

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The fall back position when running out of intelligence is usually insults and profanity. I just think it's hilarious that these two are going at each other instead of the rest of us. Isn't it amazing how they were attracted to each other. Both are showing their maturity and intelligence. It just appears to the rest of the world that they are lacking in both. It takes someone with a spine to stand up to arrogant assholes and bullies such as Druid/Marcio.

Don't worry, he won't be bothering this or any list quite shortly.

...

Mike

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Billie Walsh wrote:

The fall back position when running out of intelligence is usually insults and profanity.

Or sometimes, it's the most effective way of conveying extreme irritation and disgust. Learn the difference. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh wrote: (nothing interesting) very long thread. amusing to jump in from time to time. do you mean to continue until christmas? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 08 September 2007 18:48, Kai Ponte wrote:

On Saturday 08 September 2007 11:42, jdd wrote:

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Billie Walsh wrote: (nothing interesting)

very long thread. amusing to jump in from time to time. do you mean to continue until christmas?

I hope they at least get to some exciting subjects like hacker beer, wet t-shirts and gerbils.

-- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com

Isn't this enough, already? What a waste of bandwidth! --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers ... for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte wrote:

On Saturday 08 September 2007 16:46, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Isn't this enough, already? What a waste of bandwidth! --doug

Yeah, I agree.

The limited bandwidth we have would be better served ensuring that all the pr0n, youtube and ebaumsworld videos get downloaded along with making sure all the online poker sites are easy to access.

not to mention any newcomers unsubscribing, because of this sheer nonsense.....I cant blame them, If I subscribed anytime over the last couple days I wouldnt be sticking around...... this stupid thread has dominated the list for longer than it has needed to be. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz wrote:

Face it, all these "bandwidth" arguments, when applied to email lists, are utterly false.

the bandwith in question is that of 56k modem owners... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

may those people use webmail On 9/9/07, Michael Skiba wrote:

Am Sonntag, 9. September 2007 03:02:18 schrieb Randall R Schulz:

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On Saturday 08 September 2007 16:53, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Saturday 08 September 2007 16:46, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Isn't this enough, already? What a waste of bandwidth! --doug

Yeah, I agree.

The limited bandwidth we have

Limited bandwidth? Surely you jest. Even if every person with an Internet connection subscribed to OpenSUSE@OpenSUSE.org, this drivel would remain an infinitesimal portion of the data traffic on the Internet.

Face it, all these "bandwidth" arguments, when applied to email lists, are utterly false. The internet traffics in digital media (audio and video) on a grand scale. A smattering of moronic "yo' mamma" traffic on one email distribution list is miniscule just by comparison to the spam traversing the 'Net. Uhm.. afaik we're talking about analog modem users, those with 56k or even lower, who have to wait a few minutes till they've all their mails ;)

(yes they still exist)

Greetings Michael

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* Michael Skiba [09-09-07 08:54]:

you disqualified yourself for getting an answer :)

s/answer/breathing/

Everyone else feel free to ask the same question ;)

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Druid wrote:

Yeah, becayse repeating "you are an asshole" in the internet will make your life much less sad than it is right. Wow, lets repeat and if I repeat a lot people will stop thinking Im a kid that shouldnt have internet access without the supervision of an adult.

may your mom see you posting stuff like this and put soap in your mouth. And take away your dessert for a whole week.

Your days of being a worthless annoyance are now ended. Henceforth, you will only be worthless.

heh

Marcio --- Druid

On 9/8/07, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Druid wrote:

...

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There are no moderators of this list. In case you are not sure, Ill take some time to explain. There is a guy, who knows the root password for the server in which the mailing list software, and probably the smtp server for this domain is installed. And this guy, having the powers to change settings in the list, he can be considered a moderator, or whatever.

This is an open list. It is NOT moderated.

Just because someone has a root password doesn't make them a moderator.

A moderator MODERATES.

If nobody MODERATES the list, then it is UNMODERATED.

...

Since there are no moderators in the list, fuck off with the "oh post this or that way". I dont give a damn, go express your life frustration elsewhere.

Fuck you too, you conceited asshole.

...

...

...

2) The moderator couldnt care less about that topic, it seems I'm pretty sure you've read this before but, just in case you missed it, there are no moderators of this list.

Again, read the root password etc etc etc. If the guy with the root password was giving a damn about that, he would be doing something. Since he is not doing a thing, and since you are not the guy with the root password, fuck off again.

Posessing the root password does not make ANYONE a moderator.

Get that through your thick, shit-filled, maggot-infested skull.

...

...

Not specifically aimed at you, but this seems like a good place to add it. It would appear that a lot of the users of this list could do with reading this: Sure. Now fuck off You were already instructed to do that several hours ago.

...

Best regards

Marcio --- Druid

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Druid wrote:

Yeah, becayse repeating "you are an asshole" in the internet will make your life much less sad than it is right. Wow, lets repeat and if I repeat a lot people will stop thinking Im a kid that shouldnt have internet access without the supervision of an adult.

may your mom see you posting stuff like this and put soap in your mouth. And take away your dessert for a whole week.

heh

Marcio --- Druid

On 9/8/07, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Druid wrote:

...

...

There are no moderators of this list. In case you are not sure, Ill take some time to explain. There is a guy, who knows the root password for the server in which the mailing list software, and probably the smtp server for this domain is installed. And this guy, having the powers to change settings in the list, he can be considered a moderator, or whatever.

This is an open list. It is NOT moderated.

Just because someone has a root password doesn't make them a moderator.

A moderator MODERATES.

If nobody MODERATES the list, then it is UNMODERATED.

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Since there are no moderators in the list, fuck off with the "oh post this or that way". I dont give a damn, go express your life frustration elsewhere.

Fuck you too, you conceited asshole.

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2) The moderator couldnt care less about that topic, it seems I'm pretty sure you've read this before but, just in case you missed it, there are no moderators of this list.

Again, read the root password etc etc etc. If the guy with the root password was giving a damn about that, he would be doing something. Since he is not doing a thing, and since you are not the guy with the root password, fuck off again.

Posessing the root password does not make ANYONE a moderator.

Get that through your thick, shit-filled, maggot-infested skull.

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Not specifically aimed at you, but this seems like a good place to add it. It would appear that a lot of the users of this list could do with reading this: Sure. Now fuck off You were already instructed to do that several hours ago.

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"Chuck" == Chuck Davis writes:

Chuck> I'm an old geezer but have not yet gotten so decrepit that I cannot Chuck> remember the essence of threads in which I participate. I want Chuck> replies posted at the top so that I can a) find them easily and b) Chuck> don't have to wast time scrolling down. Now, if I've forgotten the Chuck> essence of the thread I can always scroll down to refresh my mind -- Chuck> which is MY problem, not the other poster's. So I always top post and Chuck> I want everybody else to top post. Chuck> There, I've come out of the closet! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 06 September 2007 10:55, Eberhard Roloff wrote:

At the same time I am not someone that expects anyone in Italy (where I happened to do some vacation) to understand and speak my language. Instead I struggle hard to meet Italians within their own comfort zone as much as I can.

Surprise, this works much better for me. :-)))

kind regards Eberhard

Also, On Thursday 06 September 2007 10:33 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Almost like refusing to remove your shoes when entering an establishment where that action is required.

Please, refuse to recognize accepted standards. It's the way to show that you are you. My sons both acted that way when they were 3-5 :^)

================= I think that there is a bit of confusion here. On the one hand we talk of "standards" and on the other speak of accomodation. I submit that the de facto standard is the way that millions of emailers send email, not the way that a miniscule number of newsgroupies do. As far as accomodation, please note that I, in fact, do bottom post. I just don't care if someone else does not. As far as removing shoes, I guess it depends on how bad your feet stink and what that does to the taste of the sushi. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:-

The Thursday 2007-09-06 at 11:11 -0500, Stevens wrote:

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I think that there is a bit of confusion here. On the one hand we talk of "standards" and on the other speak of accomodation. I submit that the de facto standard is the way that millions of emailers send email, not the way that a miniscule number of newsgroupies do. As far as accomodation, please note that I, in fact, do bottom post. I just don't care if someone else does not.

There is an RFC about this... so it is an standard :-P

And it's even mentioned here: URL:http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette#Bottom_post Regards, David Bolt -- Member of Team Acorn checking nodes at 100 Mnodes/s: www.distributed.net RISC OS 3.11 | SUSE 10.0 32bit | SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit RISC OS 3.6 | SUSE 10.0 64bit | SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit TOS 4.02 | SUSE 9.3 32bit | | openSUSE 10.3b2 32bit -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 06 September 2007 09:51, Sunny wrote:

In support to Eberhard:

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Here is how it goes: someone comes to this mailing list to ask for help. Obviously this guy has something to learn. And he is the one who needs help. Together with the right answer, he is provided with a little bit more knowledge - what are the customs here, and why bottom-posting is more acceptable.

And now we here, that this guy, who needed information - refuses to use it, because he is so important, that he can not be bothered to move the cursor down few lines and to trim the irrelevant part of the conversation.

The message I read is: "I can save myself few seconds to not prepare my post as most of the users here expect, and you guys have the obligation to recognize how important my time is, and spend yours to scroll up and down and to help me."

In my dictionary the softest word I can use for such an attitude is "inpolite".

I think this is the crux of the matter. One person saves a little time by using the least effort path from where he (or she) is to where they want to get. In the process they produce inordinate burden on hundreds or maybe thousands of people, the same ones being asked to lend help! (This is the same thing that leads to thread hijacking. It's "so much" easier to use the Reply command 'cause it pre-fills the To: header.) At least this list has people on it who care about decorum and list etiquette. The large majority of the lists I participate in (and it's a lot of 'em) are populated by people with atrocious habits. [ By the way, in my dictionary, it's "impolite." ]

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On Thursday 06 September 2007 19:01:27 Randall R Schulz wrote:

(This is the same thing that leads to thread hijacking. It's "so much" easier to use the Reply command 'cause it pre-fills the To: header.)

kmail has mailing list management for folders. This means you can set it up so when you right-click on the folder, you get the "new mail to mailing list" option. ctrl-shift-n is the shortcut, once the folder's mailing list properties are configured (to configure, highlight the folder, go to the "folder" menu and select "mailing list management". It has autodetection Another way is to right click on the mail address on an old mail in the list and select "new mail to" Just figured I'd throw it in there. the "l" for "reply to list" is frequently mentioned, but this I haven't seen on the list before. Maybe it helps someone to work better with kmail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ups, now I got caught by using gmane! Sorry, this was meant to be PM, Apparently PM does not work with gmane, since the "real" Mail-address is sort of covered by something like this sloncho@gmail.com and, needless to say, it does not work. ;-( I apologize for confusion Eberhard P.S. just tried to see how a top-poster might feel. ;-)) I feel lousy and will not accomodate it. Eberhard Roloff wrote:

Sunny wrote:

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In support to Eberhard: [...] Cheers, and let the this thread die, please.

Hi Sunny,

per PM, since this thread indeed deserves to die.

Thank you very much for clarifying this in words that I cannot phrase any better.

Eberhard

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Jonathan Arnold wrote:

Stevens wrote:

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Eberhard, and others:

I view the list's messages individually in kmail, not as a newsgroup and not with a threaded view. It matters not to me if someone top posts, bottom posts or inserts comments in the included text.

In fairness to those who make the "mistake" of top posting, many email clients (especially the free ones, like Yahoo mail) put you at the top of any included text when you do a "reply to". It takes a bit of effort to invert that order. Also, most, if not all, corporate email exchanges use top posting, so insisting that users bottom post is forcing users to modify their behavior to satisfy the limits of the software (your threading newsgroup stuff).

Like I said above, I don't give a rip one way or the other. I just find it amusing that I can almost set my watch to the time that it takes someone to admonish "No top post, please!"

My favorite "Why is Bottom-posting better than Top-posting" page:

http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

It's probably too long a read for the lazy guy that is top-posting. Pretty effective is usually to show these lines: -------------------------------------------------------------

Because it messes up the flow of reading.

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How come?

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I prefer to reply inline.

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What do you do instead?

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No.

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Do you like Top-posting?

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On Friday 07 September 2007 17:59, steve wrote:

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good one. I cant believe there is no monthly charge for the list, its almost as amusing as Comedy Central.

Eh? You must not be watching The Daily Show. Jon Stewart et. cie. are a over-the-top hilarious. And it's real humor, not like these bozos, who just parade their mental impairments. Of course, the grist coming from Washington makes it easy for The Daily Show writers, but still, they really do it well. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org