[opensuse] Scrollbar arrows inT'bird and FF
I use KDE. I also use Thunderbird and Firefox, which are not really KDE applications. All my KDE applications have scroll bars with little arrows at the top and bottom. I can click on those arrows to make the contents scroll. Nothing new here ... But the scroll bars in T'Bird and FF don't have those arrows. I gather that T'Bird and FF are more gnome-friendly than KDE friendly and that the config for such things as scroll bar arrows will be in some Gnomic feature and not in KDE's settings. But I don't run Gnome or have Gnome installed. I can't see setup/controls for this within FF/T'bird. Where/what to I have to look/do to set up the little arrows without having to install more of Gnome? -- How long did the whining go on when KDE2 went on KDE3? The only universal constant is change. If a species can not adapt it goes extinct. That's the law of the universe, adapt or die. -- Billie Walsh, May 18 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/09/13 15:46, Anton Aylward wrote:
I use KDE. I also use Thunderbird and Firefox, which are not really KDE applications.
All my KDE applications have scroll bars with little arrows at the top and bottom. I can click on those arrows to make the contents scroll. Nothing new here ...
But the scroll bars in T'Bird and FF don't have those arrows.
I gather that T'Bird and FF are more gnome-friendly than KDE friendly and that the config for such things as scroll bar arrows will be in some Gnomic feature and not in KDE's settings.
But I don't run Gnome or have Gnome installed.
I can't see setup/controls for this within FF/T'bird.
Where/what to I have to look/do to set up the little arrows without having to install more of Gnome?
What versions do you run? I see them here as expected (1 at the top, two at the bottom.) KDE: 4.11.1 MozillaThunderbird-17.0.8-61.21.2.x86_64 MozillaFirefox-23.0-1.29.1.x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 27/09/2013 16:57, Dylan a écrit :
What versions do you run? I see them here as expected (1 at the top, two at the bottom.)
same here jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/27/2013 06:03 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 27/09/2013 16:57, Dylan a écrit :
What versions do you run? I see them here as expected (1 at the top, two at the bottom.)
same here
- same here [ do have some gnome installed, due using xfce ] .............. best regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
ellanios82 said the following on 09/27/2013 01:08 PM:
On 09/27/2013 06:03 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 27/09/2013 16:57, Dylan a écrit :
What versions do you run? I see them here as expected (1 at the top, two at the bottom.)
same here
- same here [ do have some gnome installed, due using xfce ]
I'm trying to be as gnome-free as I can be :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2013-09-27 at 20:08 +0300, ellanios82 wrote:
On 09/27/2013 06:03 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 27/09/2013 16:57, Dylan a écrit :
What versions do you run? I see them here as expected (1 at the top, two at the bottom.)
same here
- same here [ do have some gnome installed, due using xfce ]
..............
Same here - but no arrows. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJF94oACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WfoQCaA38LcY4bZn0JXQcdlU1uovUK R+MAniFkzUNWdoBYuLEwBz8HCcwsbsP9 =Clyv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Dylan said the following on 09/27/2013 10:57 AM:
On 27/09/13 15:46, Anton Aylward wrote:
I can't see setup/controls for this within FF/T'bird.
Where/what to I have to look/do to set up the little arrows without having to install more of Gnome?
What versions do you run? I see them here as expected (1 at the top, two at the bottom.)
KDE: 4.11.1 MozillaThunderbird-17.0.8-61.21.2.x86_64 MozillaFirefox-23.0-1.29.1.x86_64
It shouldn't matter which versions, but just to make the point MozillaThunderbird-17.0.8-61.21.2.i586 MozillaFirefox-23.0-1.29.1.i586 and kdebase4-runtime-4.11.1-456.1.i586 with all the rest at 4.11.1 Its a configuration setting matter not an 'are you running an up to date release' matter. Run ldd /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin and you'll see that it doesn't reference any KDE stuff. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 27/09/13 15:46, Anton Aylward wrote:
I use KDE. I also use Thunderbird and Firefox, which are not really KDE applications.
All my KDE applications have scroll bars with little arrows at the top and bottom. I can click on those arrows to make the contents scroll. Nothing new here ...
But the scroll bars in T'Bird and FF don't have those arrows.
I gather that T'Bird and FF are more gnome-friendly than KDE friendly and that the config for such things as scroll bar arrows will be in some Gnomic feature and not in KDE's settings.
But I don't run Gnome or have Gnome installed.
I can't see setup/controls for this within FF/T'bird.
Where/what to I have to look/do to set up the little arrows without having to install more of Gnome?
I suspect it's theme related. I can see the up/down arrows at the ends of the scrollbars here, using Desktop theme 'Air'. - -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.7.10-1.16-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.5 "release 4" Uptime: 12:00pm up 16 days 20:56, 3 users, load average: 0.74, 0.39, 0.28 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlJFno0ACgkQ0Sr7eZJrmU71xACeNmkE6d6oaqWehzfz/ez8K3ac RYUAoJnmmQn2tJ6MgqS4zcWiC3IYurGX =uCDt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/09/13 17:04, Bob Williams wrote:
I suspect it's theme related. I can see the up/down arrows at the ends of the scrollbars here, using Desktop theme 'Air'.
There's a setting for this in Application Appearance -> Style -> and then if you have Oxygen set as the Widget Style, for example, click Configure... Under the Scrollbars tab you have the option to set top and bottom button types, including 'No Buttons'. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Peter said the following on 09/27/2013 11:21 AM:
On 27/09/13 17:04, Bob Williams wrote:
I suspect it's theme related. I can see the up/down arrows at the ends of the scrollbars here, using Desktop theme 'Air'.
There's a setting for this in Application Appearance -> Style -> and then if you have Oxygen set as the Widget Style, for example, click Configure... Under the Scrollbars tab you have the option to set top and bottom button types, including 'No Buttons'.
Thank you but that's unhelpful systemsettings is all for KDE. And I did state up front that the KDE applications I run do have the top and bottom arrows. I have them set to one arrow each. And yes I do have it set to 'Oxygen'. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-09-27 11:33 (GMT-0400) Anton Aylward composed:
I use KDE... systemsettings is all for KDE.
Not strictly true. If kde-gtk-config is installed to make GTK apps (e.g. FF) use KDE theming, then in systemsettings -> application appearance you will see under "Fonts", "GTK", as it is on the 13.1b1 system I currently have running, and in which not only are the arrows missing from the buttons in both firefox-esr 17 (rpm) and FF 24 (mozilla.org bz2), but the buttons themselves are missing. Zypper se -s fails to find a branding package for firefox-esr 17 as well. The buttons are missing in SeaMonkey 2.17.1 (mozilla.org) as well. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata said the following on 09/27/2013 01:41 PM:
On 2013-09-27 11:33 (GMT-0400) Anton Aylward composed:
I use KDE... systemsettings is all for KDE.
Not strictly true. If kde-gtk-config is installed to make GTK apps (e.g. FF) use KDE theming, then in systemsettings -> application appearance you will see under "Fonts", "GTK", as it is on the 13.1b1 system I currently have running, and in which not only are the arrows missing from the buttons in both firefox-esr 17 (rpm) and FF 24 (mozilla.org bz2), but the buttons themselves are missing. Zypper se -s fails to find a branding package for firefox-esr 17 as well. The buttons are missing in SeaMonkey 2.17.1 (mozilla.org) as well.
Thank you! That's a lot more useful than the 'it works for me''! So I've now installed kde-gtk-config and done the appropriate fiddling with 'application appearance' and now I have arrows on the scroll bars in FF/T'bird :--) At last ... 'it works for me'. I'll hold off 13.1 for the moment :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 9/27/2013 10:51 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Felix Miata said the following on 09/27/2013 01:41 PM:
On 2013-09-27 11:33 (GMT-0400) Anton Aylward composed:
I use KDE... systemsettings is all for KDE.
Not strictly true. If kde-gtk-config is installed to make GTK apps (e.g. FF) use KDE theming, then in systemsettings -> application appearance you will see under "Fonts", "GTK", as it is on the 13.1b1 system I currently have running, and in which not only are the arrows missing from the buttons in both firefox-esr 17 (rpm) and FF 24 (mozilla.org bz2), but the buttons themselves are missing. Zypper se -s fails to find a branding package for firefox-esr 17 as well. The buttons are missing in SeaMonkey 2.17.1 (mozilla.org) as well.
Thank you!
That's a lot more useful than the 'it works for me''!
So I've now installed kde-gtk-config and done the appropriate fiddling with 'application appearance' and now I have arrows on the scroll bars in FF/T'bird :--)
At last ... 'it works for me'.
I'll hold off 13.1 for the moment :-)
The point is, he had to fiddle with it to get them to disappear. Its not the norm. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/09/13 19:10, John Andersen wrote:
On 9/27/2013 10:51 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Felix Miata said the following on 09/27/2013 01:41 PM:
On 2013-09-27 11:33 (GMT-0400) Anton Aylward composed:
I use KDE... systemsettings is all for KDE.
Not strictly true. If kde-gtk-config is installed to make GTK apps (e.g. FF) use KDE theming, then in systemsettings -> application appearance you will see under "Fonts", "GTK", as it is on the 13.1b1 system I currently have running, and in which not only are the arrows missing from the buttons in both firefox-esr 17 (rpm) and FF 24 (mozilla.org bz2), but the buttons themselves are missing. Zypper se -s fails to find a branding package for firefox-esr 17 as well. The buttons are missing in SeaMonkey 2.17.1 (mozilla.org) as well.
Thank you!
That's a lot more useful than the 'it works for me''!
So I've now installed kde-gtk-config and done the appropriate fiddling with 'application appearance' and now I have arrows on the scroll bars in FF/T'bird :--)
At last ... 'it works for me'.
I'll hold off 13.1 for the moment :-)
The point is, he had to fiddle with it to get them to disappear. Its not the norm.
Or was overly zealous removing all those pesky gtk packages ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/27/2013 10:46 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
I use KDE. I also use Thunderbird and Firefox, which are not really KDE applications.
All my KDE applications have scroll bars with little arrows at the top and bottom. I can click on those arrows to make the contents scroll. Nothing new here ...
But the scroll bars in T'Bird and FF don't have those arrows.
I gather that T'Bird and FF are more gnome-friendly than KDE friendly and that the config for such things as scroll bar arrows will be in some Gnomic feature and not in KDE's settings.
But I don't run Gnome or have Gnome installed.
I can't see setup/controls for this within FF/T'bird.
Where/what to I have to look/do to set up the little arrows without having to install more of Gnome?
I don't know what OS-en may be, but I'm using PCLinuxOS, and sometimes MINT, both with KDE, and I have the little arrows on the right side, at top and bottom of the up/down slider track. Actually, they are little triangles, pointing up at the top, and down at the bottom. You'll see the same thing in Windows. But if you don't fill the page, there won't be any arrows or scroll tracks, since they aren't needed then. Perhaps you aren't explaining the problem? --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
В Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:46:21 -0400
Anton Aylward
I use KDE. I also use Thunderbird and Firefox, which are not really KDE applications.
All my KDE applications have scroll bars with little arrows at the top and bottom. I can click on those arrows to make the contents scroll. Nothing new here ...
But the scroll bars in T'Bird and FF don't have those arrows.
I gather that T'Bird and FF are more gnome-friendly than KDE friendly and that the config for such things as scroll bar arrows will be in some Gnomic feature and not in KDE's settings.
But I don't run Gnome or have Gnome installed.
I can't see setup/controls for this within FF/T'bird.
Where/what to I have to look/do to set up the little arrows without having to install more of Gnome?
I was finally able to get scrollbar arrows back for gtk-2/gtk-3 applications. Firefox is gtk-2, so what works for me is: bor@opensuse:~> cat ~/.gtkrc-2.0 style "stepper-enable" { GtkScrollbar::stepper-size = 13 GtkScrollbar::has-backward-stepper = 1 GtkScrollbar::has-forward-stepper = 1 } class "GtkScrollbar" style "stepper-enable" bor@opensuse:~> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 9/27/2013 1:10 PM, ellanios82 wrote:
On 09/27/2013 10:24 PM, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
bor@opensuse:~> cat ~/.gtkrc-2.0
- what is the function of the TILDE "~" please ?
.............
best regards
Its Standard 'nix shorthand for your home directory. so it means the full file name is /home/[user]/.gtkrc-2.0 -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/27/2013 11:21 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 9/27/2013 1:10 PM, ellanios82 wrote:
On 09/27/2013 10:24 PM, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
bor@opensuse:~> cat ~/.gtkrc-2.0
- what is the function of the TILDE "~" please ?
.............
best regards
Its Standard 'nix shorthand for your home directory. so it means the full file name is /home/[user]/.gtkrc-2.0
- thank you very much ................. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Andrey Borzenkov said the following on 09/27/2013 03:24 PM:
I was finally able to get scrollbar arrows back for gtk-2/gtk-3 applications. Firefox is gtk-2, so what works for me is:
bor@opensuse:~> cat ~/.gtkrc-2.0 style "stepper-enable" { GtkScrollbar::stepper-size = 13 GtkScrollbar::has-backward-stepper = 1 GtkScrollbar::has-forward-stepper = 1 }
class "GtkScrollbar" style "stepper-enable" bor@opensuse:~>
Thank you. That makes a lot of sense, given that the config file syntax is almost as obscure as for X. Is/are these parameters documented somewhere in the gnome world? -- I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell. - H. Truman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
В Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:24:58 -0400
Anton Aylward
Is/are these parameters documented somewhere in the gnome world?
Tutorial for gtk-2.0 gtkrc could be found here: https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes?highlight=%28gtkrc%29 and individual widgets' properties are documented in development documentation. Of course gtk-3.0 conveniently changed everything and is using CSS and binary format for most settings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-09-27 23:24 (GMT+0400) Andrey Borzenkov composed:
I was finally able to get scrollbar arrows back for gtk-2/gtk-3 applications. Firefox is gtk-2, so what works for me is:
bor@opensuse:~> cat ~/.gtkrc-2.0 style "stepper-enable" { GtkScrollbar::stepper-size = 13 GtkScrollbar::has-backward-stepper = 1 GtkScrollbar::has-forward-stepper = 1 }
class "GtkScrollbar" style "stepper-enable" bor@opensuse:~>
The system I've been using today for bug follow-ups has KDE3 on 12.2 and KDE3 on 12.3 & 13.1B1. On 12.3 & 13.1, no Mozilla app I've tried has the arrows whether I have that content in a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file or not, while on 12.2 without any such file the arrows are where they belong. Wireshark on KDE4 is missing the arrow buttons too. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-09-27 18:02 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed:
The system I've been using today for bug follow-ups has KDE3 on 12.2 and KDE3 on 12.3 & 13.1B1. On 12.3 & 13.1, no Mozilla app I've tried has the arrows whether I have that content in a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file or not, while on 12.2 without any such file the arrows are where they belong.
Wireshark on KDE4 is missing the arrow buttons too.
Bug filed: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843086 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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