What desktop environment do you recommend?

Ged

24 Jan 2004 24 Jan '04

13:29

Hi all, I'm currently using KDE but need to change. I don't know whether its just boredom of using the same environment, or whether its due to it not providing what I want. I have been using it for about 6 months, but I just can't seem to put my finger on why I'm not happy with it. I'm looking for advice on alternatives people use. I have installed Gnome and find it to be aesthetically pleasing, but can't make judgement at present as I only looked at if for 20 mins. One of my main gripes is Kmail. I have become use to it and need an alternative that will be as feature packed at that was. Any suggestions are appricieted, bearing in mind I have only converted to Linux in the past 6 months. Thanks, Ged. -- -=SuSE Linux 9.0=-

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Dylan

24 Jan 24 Jan

14:01

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On Saturday 24 January 2004 13:29 pm, Ged wrote: <SNIP>

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One of my main gripes is Kmail. I have become use to it and need an alternative that will be as feature packed at that was.

You can use Kmail in any desktop, provided you have the relevant libraries installed. Dylan -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Marshall Heartley

14:34

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I'm looking for advice on alternatives people use. I have installed Gnome and find it to be aesthetically pleasing, but can't make judgement at present as I only looked at if for 20 mins.

You will need to install a desktop and give it a try. Let you be the judge of what you like and don't like. There are many of them out there. It is a matter of choice. You will only know if you like it when you start using it. I personally have used KDE, GNOME, enlightenment, fvwm, Windowmaker, and fluxbox. I am trying openbox that comes with SuSE. Fluxbox does not come with SuSE and you will need to compile it to get it to work. There are many more than the ones that I mentioned. I have also used XFCE. Again it is a matter of choice. I think that I will be going back to fluxbox once I can get the thing compiled :)

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One of my main gripes is Kmail. I have become use to it and need an alternative that will be as feature packed at that was.

Well again there are choices. I am using Evolution. But as another poster mentioned, you can keep your Kmail if you wish. Noticing that you just converted, I would stick to the desktops that are on the CD/DVD's or you can find a rpm for. You may not be up to trying to compile something right yet :) Marshall Heartley

Ged

15:13

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I am currently playing about with Gnome and am finding it to be much better than KDE was. I am also playing about with Evolution which is also great. I am still open to any suggestions people have though. thanks. On Sat, 2004-01-24 at 14:34, Marshall Heartley wrote:

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I'm looking for advice on alternatives people use. I have installed Gnome and find it to be aesthetically pleasing, but can't make judgement at present as I only looked at if for 20 mins.

You will need to install a desktop and give it a try. Let you be the judge of what you like and don't like. There are many of them out there. It is a matter of choice. You will only know if you like it when you start using it. I personally have used KDE, GNOME, enlightenment, fvwm, Windowmaker, and fluxbox. I am trying openbox that comes with SuSE. Fluxbox does not come with SuSE and you will need to compile it to get it to work. There are many more than the ones that I mentioned. I have also used XFCE. Again it is a matter of choice. I think that I will be going back to fluxbox once I can get the thing compiled :)

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One of my main gripes is Kmail. I have become use to it and need an alternative that will be as feature packed at that was.

Well again there are choices. I am using Evolution. But as another poster mentioned, you can keep your Kmail if you wish.

Noticing that you just converted, I would stick to the desktops that are on the CD/DVD's or you can find a rpm for. You may not be up to trying to compile something right yet :)

Marshall Heartley

Steven T. Hatton

22:22

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On Saturday 24 January 2004 10:13, Ged wrote:

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I am currently playing about with Gnome and am finding it to be much better than KDE was. I am also playing about with Evolution which is also great.

I am still open to any suggestions people have though.

thanks.

I've been using the KDE since around mid 1997 IIRC. That was alpha 4. I like it. I've looked at Gnome, and it has some nice features as well. I can't give an honest assessment of how it compares to the KDE because I haven't used it enough. My response to you is this: You have to chose for your self. As far as specifics go, if (you believe) there are actual, functunal deficiencies in the KDE, it is, to some extent, your responsibility to report these to the KDE development team. That's how you pay for free software. I also understand that everybody's time is limited, and we can't always do everything we might to give such feedback. One other important note. You can run just about all the Gnome apps under the KDE and vis-a-verse. I run some Gnome apps such a gftp, dia, etc. Mozilla is build with GTK, which is what QT is to the KDE , as I understand it. STH

Steven T. Hatton

25 Jan 25 Jan

08:26

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On Saturday 24 January 2004 17:22, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

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On Saturday 24 January 2004 10:13, Ged wrote:

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I am currently playing about with Gnome and am finding it to be much better than KDE was. I am also playing about with Evolution which is also great.

I am still open to any suggestions people have though.

thanks.

I've been using the KDE since around mid 1997 IIRC. That was alpha 4. I like it. I've looked at Gnome, and it has some nice features as well. I can't give an honest assessment of how it compares to the KDE because I haven't used it enough. My response to you is this: You have to chose for your self. As far as specifics go, if (you believe) there are actual, functunal deficiencies in the KDE, it is, to some extent, your responsibility to report these to the KDE development team. That's how you pay for free software.

I also understand that everybody's time is limited, and we can't always do everything we might to give such feedback.

One other important note. You can run just about all the Gnome apps under the KDE and vis-a-verse. I run some Gnome apps such a gftp, dia, etc. Mozilla is build with GTK, which is what QT is to the KDE , as I understand it.

STH

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Roland Hill

24 Jan 24 Jan

20:26

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Hi Ged, * Ged [24-01-04 19:58]:

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I'm currently using KDE but need to change. I don't know whether its just boredom of using the same environment, or whether its due to it not providing what I want. I have been using it for about 6 months, but I just can't seem to put my finger on why I'm not happy with it.

I'm looking for advice on alternatives people use. I have installed Gnome and find it to be aesthetically pleasing, but can't make judgement at present as I only looked at if for 20 mins.

One of my main gripes is Kmail. I have become use to it and need an alternative that will be as feature packed at that was.

Any suggestions are appreciated, bearing in mind I have only converted to Linux in the past 6 months.

Well, just for kicks I decided to try Window Maker (SuSE package). It can run KDE and Gnome apps, has multiple desktops and is lightweight and fast (very abbreviated description). It actually will run most things............I think. You need to set it up to run "your" apps, but it is quite straight forward, and I found it to be quite intuitive (I have about 2yrs experience). Running gkrellm with its bells and whistles also gives you a bunch of cool tools as well. I am also trying IceWM, but I am not too sure about it yet. And hey, set up KDE, Gnome and Window Maker and switch between all 3 (this is Linux, it is under your control)! -- Regards, Roland Hill Registered Linux User #330226 http://pl.net/~rnrhill/rhweb.htm @ http://counter.li.org

James Knott

25 Jan 25 Jan

18:10

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Ged wrote:

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Hi all,

I'm currently using KDE but need to change. I don't know whether its just boredom of using the same environment, or whether its due to it not providing what I want. I have been using it for about 6 months, but I just can't seem to put my finger on why I'm not happy with it.

I'm looking for advice on alternatives people use. I have installed Gnome and find it to be aesthetically pleasing, but can't make judgement at present as I only looked at if for 20 mins.

One of my main gripes is Kmail. I have become use to it and need an alternative that will be as feature packed at that was.

Any suggestions are appricieted, bearing in mind I have only converted to Linux in the past 6 months.

You can install and use several different desktops, if you wish. Many KDE apps will run fine on other desktops. You might want to consider Ximan, which is also owned by Novell and will likely work well with SuSE.

Stanley Long

26 Jan 26 Jan

04:31

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On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 09:10, James Knott wrote:

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Ged wrote:

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Hi all,

I'm currently using KDE but need to change. I don't know whether its just boredom of using the same environment, or whether its due to it not providing what I want. I have been using it for about 6 months, but I just can't seem to put my finger on why I'm not happy with it.

I'm looking for advice on alternatives people use. I have installed Gnome and find it to be aesthetically pleasing, but can't make judgement at present as I only looked at if for 20 mins.

One of my main gripes is Kmail. I have become use to it and need an alternative that will be as feature packed at that was.

Any suggestions are appricieted, bearing in mind I have only converted to Linux in the past 6 months.

You can install and use several different desktops, if you wish. Many KDE apps will run fine on other desktops. You might want to consider Ximan, which is also owned by Novell and will likely work well with SuSE.

FVWM has been the desktop of choice here since SuSE 5.3 In those days KDE had difficulties with dual screeen CAD workstation configurations, but fvwm saved the day. Just tell YAST to load any of the desktops, and take your pick from the options list on the kdm startup GUI. The SuSE default has begun to show a an understandable lack of attention to fvwm configuration, but editing the fvwm script isn't difficult.

Enrique Arizón

25 Jan 25 Jan

20:53

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Well, personally I preffer much more Gnome to KDE for a few reasons: - I make daily use of Mozilla, Gaim, GnomeMeeting and Dia that basically are Gtk apps and so run better with Gnome than KDE. I also spend many hours in front of the command line and I think the gnome terminal is much more polished than the KDE terminal and I work faster with it. - I hate the Qt libraries and its license that, from my point of view is too much radical and could create long term problems since it does N_O_T allow for LGPL (Lesser General Public Licence). Since KDE is build with Qt I think it's a big problem. - I don't like Konqueron since it doesn't run many JavaScript enabled pages, and so I can't use, for example, Yahoo mail popups menus. But Konqueron is everywhere within KDE and I can't disable it. Anyway if you decide to use GNOME go to RedHat or Debian. They have a much more "correct" GNOME than the default included with SuSE (I don't know if the Ximian version of Gnome correct the mistakes). I hope this will change soon with Novell adquiring Ximian and SuSE. --- Ged escribió: > Hi all,

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I'm currently using KDE but need to change. I don't know whether its just boredom of using the same environment, or whether its due to it not providing what I want. I have been using it for about 6 months, but I just can't seem to put my finger on why I'm not happy with it.

I'm looking for advice on alternatives people use. I have installed Gnome and find it to be aesthetically pleasing, but can't make judgement at present as I only looked at if for 20 mins.

One of my main gripes is Kmail. I have become use to it and need an alternative that will be as feature packed at that was.

Any suggestions are appricieted, bearing in mind I have only converted to Linux in the past 6 months.

Thanks,

Ged. -- -=SuSE Linux 9.0=-

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Jim

20:56

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I have always preferred KDE myself, but it is purely up to you which one you use. Jim On Sunday 25 January 2004 15:53, Enrique Arizón wrote:

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Well, personally I preffer much more Gnome to KDE for a few reasons:

- I make daily use of Mozilla, Gaim, GnomeMeeting and Dia that basically are Gtk apps and so run better with Gnome than KDE. I also spend many hours in front of the command line and I think the gnome terminal is much more polished than the KDE terminal and I work faster with it.

- I hate the Qt libraries and its license that, from my point of view is too much radical and could create long term problems since it does N_O_T allow for LGPL (Lesser General Public Licence). Since KDE is build with Qt I think it's a big problem.

- I don't like Konqueron since it doesn't run many JavaScript enabled pages, and so I can't use, for example, Yahoo mail popups menus. But Konqueron is everywhere within KDE and I can't disable it.

Anyway if you decide to use GNOME go to RedHat or Debian. They have a much more "correct" GNOME than the default included with SuSE (I don't know if the Ximian version of Gnome correct the mistakes). I hope this will change soon with Novell adquiring Ximian and SuSE.

--- Ged escribió: > Hi all,

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I'm currently using KDE but need to change. I don't know whether its just boredom of using the same environment, or whether its due to it not providing what I want. I have been using it for about 6 months, but I just can't seem to put my finger on why I'm not happy with it.

I'm looking for advice on alternatives people use. I have installed Gnome and find it to be aesthetically pleasing, but can't make judgement at present as I only looked at if for 20 mins.

One of my main gripes is Kmail. I have become use to it and need an alternative that will be as feature packed at that was.

Any suggestions are appricieted, bearing in mind I have only converted to Linux in the past 6 months.

Thanks,

Ged. -- -=SuSE Linux 9.0=-

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Albert

22:52

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On Sunday 25 January 2004 14:53, Enrique Arizón wrote:

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Well, personally I preffer much more Gnome to KDE for a few reasons: <snip> Anyway if you decide to use GNOME go to RedHat or Debian. <snip>

I'm just curious why you are on a SuSE list, rather than Redhat or Debian. -- "Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it." -- George Orwell as Syme in "1984"

Enrique Arizón

23:47

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Well, I use both SuSE, RedHat and also Debian, Mandrake, some other exotic distro, Windows, Solaris, Mac, "Java", ... since I work with computers. It's just that I'm ussually more interested in the server area when I post/reply in this list. It's really active and I ussually have got good answers to my problems really fast (sometimes just in half an hour). --- Albert escribió: > On Sunday 25 January 2004 14:53, Enrique Arizón

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Well, personally I preffer much more Gnome to KDE for a few reasons: <snip> Anyway if you decide to use GNOME go to RedHat or Debian. <snip>

I'm just curious why you are on a SuSE list, rather than Redhat or Debian.

-- "Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it." -- George Orwell as Syme in "1984"

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Jerry Feldman

26 Jan 26 Jan

02:35

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On Sunday 25 January 2004 14:53, Enrique Arizón wrote:

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Well, personally I preffer much more Gnome to KDE for a few reasons: <snip> Anyway if you decide to use GNOME go to RedHat or Debian. <snip>

I'm just curious why you are on a SuSE list, rather than Redhat or Debian.

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