[opensuse] 11.0 Closing Desktop Summary and 11.3 Opportunities
Listmates, 11.0 Desktop Summary All-in-all, kde3 (except for the kde4 induced gtk issue, missing menu and control panel issues on x86_64) finished life in 11.0 in phenomenal shape. It was truly enjoyable to use. Gnome finished in fantastic shape even for remaining at an ancient 2.2.0 release point. E16 was perfect. E17 was near perfect. Credit for the fantastic shape of both enlightenment desktops goes to Dmitry Serpokryl for his great work there. WindowMaker, blackbox, fluxbox, openbox and lxde were all in great shape except that many of the desktop components needed to be found and installed from source due to declining interest from the build service maintainers. IceWM, twm and fvwm2 were in good working order as well. XFCE was probably the largest disappointment due to newer packages being available and then pulled from the repos during the last 2 months of support leaving a mess for that desktop at 11.0 EOL. Unfortunately, the desktop selection in all versions of openSuSE since 11.0 has narrowed significantly. Enlightenment remains a bright point due to Dmitry's continued hard work. Gnome is still in good shape in 11.2 and to SuSE's credit KDE3 being continued was in my opinion was probably one of the smartest decisions I have seen made in the past 2 years. No matter how you slice it, KDE4 is still just a mess of differing beta ideas being shoved together in hope something usable springs forward on its own. It's like a desktop with cerebral palsy or Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and evidently is shares the same prognosis. 11.3 Opportunities Hopefully the opensuse devs will continue to put effort into keeping a good desktop selection available for 11.3. I would have gladly transitioned to kde4 if the normal simple things worked reliably, but it is hit and miss. 160+ bug reports opened and counting. Take it to heart there are many more good desktop choices out there besides kde4 that are stable and efficient right now. If 1% of the effort currently being spent by opensuse on kde4 was committed to packaging these desktops for 11.3, then 11.3 could be just as solid a release as 11.0 was from a desktop standpoint -- and hopefully it will be. We shall see what the future holds. [ ...for additional consideration ] The benefit to opensuse from moving to a rolling-release model and ditching the waste/duplication of effort in maintaining 3 release sets of everything is also something worth seriously considering... Soon resources will be divided between 11.1, 11.2 and 11.3 when resources should be singularly focused on opensuse -- think about it... From what I've seen, that model produces the best linux distribution for the least amount of resources required and the best user experience by eliminating the forced migration from release to release. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/07/10 00:24, David C. Rankin wrote:
Listmates,
11.0 Desktop Summary
All-in-all, kde3 (except for the kde4 induced gtk issue, missing menu and control panel issues on x86_64) finished life in 11.0 in phenomenal shape. It was truly enjoyable to use. Gnome finished in fantastic shape even for remaining at an ancient 2.2.0 release point.
E16 was perfect. E17 was near perfect. Credit for the fantastic shape of both enlightenment desktops goes to Dmitry Serpokryl for his great work there.
WindowMaker, blackbox, fluxbox, openbox and lxde were all in great shape except that many of the desktop components needed to be found and installed from source due to declining interest from the build service maintainers.
IceWM, twm and fvwm2 were in good working order as well.
XFCE was probably the largest disappointment due to newer packages being available and then pulled from the repos during the last 2 months of support leaving a mess for that desktop at 11.0 EOL.
Unfortunately, the desktop selection in all versions of openSuSE since 11.0 has narrowed significantly. Enlightenment remains a bright point due to Dmitry's continued hard work. Gnome is still in good shape in 11.2 and to SuSE's credit KDE3 being continued was in my opinion was probably one of the smartest decisions I have seen made in the past 2 years. No matter how you slice it, KDE4 is still just a mess of differing beta ideas being shoved together in hope something usable springs forward on its own. It's like a desktop with cerebral palsy or Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and evidently is shares the same prognosis.
<snip> I disagree with you and in my opinion KDE4 is now very usable and my preferred desktop of choice. I am using the factory version which is KDE 4.4.5. The desktop is user friendly and its development is heading in the right direction. We are of course entitled to our opinions and I acknowledge the current desktop is not to everyone's liking. Sudhir -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Linux_Sle said the following on 07/11/2010 06:55 AM:
I disagree with you and in my opinion KDE4 is now very usable and my preferred desktop of choice. I am using the factory version which is KDE 4.4.5. The desktop is user friendly and its development is heading in the right direction.
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On Sat, 2010-07-10 at 18:24 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Listmates, 11.0 Desktop Summary All-in-all, kde3 (except for the kde4 induced gtk issue, missing menu and control panel issues on x86_64) finished life in 11.0 in phenomenal shape. It was truly enjoyable to use. Gnome finished in fantastic shape even for remaining at an ancient 2.2.0 release point.
11.2 is GNOME 2.28; which isn't ancient at all. And 11.3 is GNOME 2.30.x which is current.
11.3 Opportunities Hopefully the opensuse devs will continue to put effort into keeping a good desktop selection available for 11.3.
vs. paddling naked around the pool naked while singing drinking songs??? This statement is pointless and derogatory.
I would have gladly transitioned to kde4 if the normal simple things worked reliably, but it is hit and miss. 160+ bug reports opened and counting.
Bug report counts mean nothing.
Take it to heart there are many more good desktop choices out there besides kde4 that are stable and efficient right now. If 1% of the effort currently being spent by opensuse on kde4 was committed to packaging these desktops for 11.3,
What was your metric for measuring that effort as 1%? You know you could just go use Gentoo? Then you wouldn't have to rely on any lazy slackers.
then 11.3 could be just as solid a release as 11.0 was from a desktop standpoint -- and hopefully it will be.
It is looking very solid to me. GNOME 2.30.x offers some very nice
improvements.
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Adam Tauno Williams
Take it to heart there are many more good desktop choices out there besides kde4 that are stable and efficient right now. If 1% of the effort currently being spent by opensuse on kde4 was committed to packaging these desktops for 11.3, then 11.3 could be just as solid a release as 11.0 was from a desktop standpoint
I agree. Are there any volunteers who are able to repair some recently broken KDE3 packages? First of all I would say about Kaffeine which it seems does not build because it was updated upstream and the new source code is not compatible with existing SUSE patch (it does not build not only for 11.3 but also for 11.1 and 11.2 though it did previously). Also I would say about Amarok, koffice and kde3-artwork. While all those packages can be installed from repositories for previous releases or Packman, it still would be great to have them built for 11.3. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 July 2010 16:08:37 Илья Черных wrote:
Take it to heart there are many more good desktop choices out there besides kde4 that are stable and efficient right now. If 1% of the effort currently being spent by opensuse on kde4 was committed to packaging these desktops for 11.3, then 11.3 could be just as solid a release as 11.0 was from a desktop standpoint
I agree. Are there any volunteers who are able to repair some recently broken KDE3 packages?
We've asked several times for these volunteers, but so far nobody has stepped up to tool up and do the work to fix failing packages or even make a KDE 3 LiveCD or package the Trinity KDE 3 branch for openSUSE. We (the KDE team) will help you learn and solve problems so packaging/distribution skills are not the bottleneck, motivation and persistence are. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:24:07 -0500, "David C. Rankin"
Take it to heart there are many more good desktop choices out there besides kde4 that are stable and efficient right now.
Take it for granted that those in charge do know that.
If 1% of the effort currently being spent by opensuse on kde4 was committed to packaging these desktops for 11.3, then 11.3 could be just as solid a release as 11.0 was from a desktop standpoint
It would require much more effort than that. But openSUSE is a community project so why don't you try to rally those that are interested in these alternatives to step up and help with packaging? Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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