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John Pettigrew

12 Dec 2003 12 Dec '03

14:11

I am going to be installing SuSE 8.2 for my parents this Christmas, and because they're Windows users, I'll be starting them off with KDE as it's the most Windows-like. However, as a Gnome user myself, there are a couple of things I would like to know. First, is it possible to add arbitrary commands to panel buttons in KDE as it is in Gnome? For example, I can see no way to add a panel button to launch a binary in my home directory - when I tried to change an existing button (the KMail button, if that matters), it worked but KDE reported an error on quitting the app - bizarrely, that kinit couldn't launch the app I'd just quit! Second, is it possible to configure the keyboard shortcuts for (e.g.) different desktops in KDE? Thanks, John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you!

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mjt

12 Dec 12 Dec

15:28

New subject: [SLE] KDE question

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:11:14 +0000, John Pettigrew wrote:

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First, is it possible to add arbitrary commands to panel buttons in KDE as it is in Gnome?

... yes, i have a number of 'buttons' which relate to various commands, be they CLI oriented or GUI

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Second, is it possible to configure the keyboard shortcuts for (e.g.) different desktops in KDE?

... "different desktops in KDE"? can you elaborate - KDE *IS* the desktop environment -- /// Michael J. Tobler: motorcyclist, surfer, skydiver, \\\ \\\ and author: "Inside Linux", "C++ HowTo", "C++ Unleashed" /// Most people wouldn't know music if it came up and bit them on the ass. - Frank Zappa

Derek Fountain

15:54

New subject: [SLE] KDE question

On Friday 12 December 2003 22:11, John Pettigrew wrote:

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I am going to be installing SuSE 8.2 for my parents this Christmas, and because they're Windows users, I'll be starting them off with KDE as it's the most Windows-like.

That's a myth. At the SUSE-default configuration, maybe KDE does look a bit like Windows. You can configure it however you like though - KDE is much more configurable than GNOME. You can make it look totally unlike Windows if you like.

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However, as a Gnome user myself, there are a couple of things I would like to know. First, is it possible to add arbitrary commands to panel buttons in KDE as it is in Gnome?

Right click on the panel->Add->Special Button->Non KDE Application. Point it to your binary.

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Second, is it possible to configure the keyboard shortcuts for (e.g.) different desktops in KDE?

Er... you mean change the keyboard shortcut which switches between virtual desktops? I don't think so, but maybe I just can't see it either. :o) --

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John Pettigrew

16:29

In a previous message, Derek Fountain wrote:

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On Friday 12 December 2003 22:11, John Pettigrew wrote:

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First, is it possible to add arbitrary commands to panel buttons in KDE as it is in Gnome?

Right click on the panel->Add->Special Button->Non KDE Application. Point it to your binary.

Lovely - just what I needed. However, there seems to be no way with such a button to change the path to the binary if needed. Is this possible also, or do I just have to recreate the button?

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Second, is it possible to configure the keyboard shortcuts for (e.g.) different desktops in KDE?

Er... you mean change the keyboard shortcut which switches between virtual desktops? I don't think so, but maybe I just can't see it either. :o)

That was what I meant, yes. Ah well! John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards

mjt

16:47

New subject: [SLE] Re: KDE question

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:29:40 +0000, John Pettigrew wrote:

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Lovely - just what I needed. However, there seems to be no way with such a button to change the path to the binary if needed. Is this possible also, or do I just have to recreate the button?

... "path to the library" ??? do you mean application [binary]? you dont execute a library, although it's in some path -- /// Michael J. Tobler: motorcyclist, surfer, skydiver, \\\ \\\ and author: "Inside Linux", "C++ HowTo", "C++ Unleashed" /// Law of Probable Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.

John Pettigrew

17:13

In a previous message, mjt wrote:

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:29:40 +0000, John Pettigrew wrote:

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Lovely - just what I needed. However, there seems to be no way with such a button to change the path to the binary if needed. Is this possible also, or do I just have to recreate the button?

... "path to the library" ??? do you mean application [binary]? you dont execute a library, although it's in some path

LOL - I actually wrote "binary", you just read "library" :-) John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you!

mjt

17:33

New subject: [SLE] Re: Re: KDE question

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:13:13 +0000, John Pettigrew wrote:

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:29:40 +0000, John Pettigrew wrote:

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Lovely - just what I needed. However, there seems to be no way with such a button to change the path to the binary if needed. Is this possible also, or do I just have to recreate the button?

... "path to the library" ??? do you mean application [binary]? you dont execute a library, although it's in some path

LOL - I actually wrote "binary", you just read "library" :-)

.... <<geez>> i guess, even at 11:30am, i can say: "it's been a looooooong day". thanks for catching my misteak -- /// Michael J. Tobler: motorcyclist, surfer, skydiver, \\\ \\\ and author: "Inside Linux", "C++ HowTo", "C++ Unleashed" ///

James Oakley

17:49

New subject: [SLE] Re: KDE question

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 12 December 2003 12:29 pm, John Pettigrew wrote:

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In a previous message, Derek Fountain wrote:

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On Friday 12 December 2003 22:11, John Pettigrew wrote:

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First, is it possible to add arbitrary commands to panel buttons in KDE as it is in Gnome?

Right click on the panel->Add->Special Button->Non KDE Application. Point it to your binary.

Lovely - just what I needed. However, there seems to be no way with such a button to change the path to the binary if needed. Is this possible also, or do I just have to recreate the button?

Right-click on icon, select Properties. Seems pretty obvious to me. Of course, all binaries should be in your path so you should simply type the name of the binary and be done with it.

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Second, is it possible to configure the keyboard shortcuts for (e.g.) different desktops in KDE?

You can change *anything* in KDE. Control Center: Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts - -- James Oakley Engineering - SolutionInc Ltd. joakley@solutioninc.com http://www.solutioninc.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/2f+Q+FOexA3koIgRAlFqAKCkFn28i87yiIFKfJ0ax32gQTynUACfTkkz t43oxctvSP+oNUIrPwwzrlM= =zTPk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

John Pettigrew

18:05

In a previous message, James Oakley wrote:

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On Friday 12 December 2003 12:29 pm, John Pettigrew wrote:

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However, there seems to be no way with such a button to change the path to the binary if needed. Is this possible also, or do I just have to recreate the button?

Right-click on icon, select Properties. Seems pretty obvious to me.

That was what I expected. However, this "non-KDE application" button showed only a single little window with no tabs, and the only thing I could change were the command-line arguments and the icon, not the main command itself. Also, it doesn't seem to be possible to change the popup text for the button, which is always the path to the binary. Again, this isn't idea. Can it be changed somehow?

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Of course, all binaries should be in your path so you should simply type the name of the binary and be done with it.

Yes, but as I said, I'm setting this up for my parents as a Windows migration, so GUI is better.

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Second, is it possible to configure the keyboard shortcuts for (e.g.) different desktops in KDE?

You can change *anything* in KDE.

Control Center: Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts

Lovely, thanks! It doesn't let me bind a specific key to a specific desktop, but I can work around that. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you!

James Oakley

19:27

New subject: [SLE] Re: Re: KDE question

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 12 December 2003 02:05 pm, John Pettigrew wrote:

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In a previous message, James Oakley wrote:

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On Friday 12 December 2003 12:29 pm, John Pettigrew wrote:

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However, there seems to be no way with such a button to change the path to the binary if needed. Is this possible also, or do I just have to recreate the button?

Right-click on icon, select Properties. Seems pretty obvious to me.

That was what I expected. However, this "non-KDE application" button showed only a single little window with no tabs, and the only thing I could change were the command-line arguments and the icon, not the main command itself.

Ah. I've never used that little feature. I create a "Link to application" on the desktop and drag it to kicker. I right-click-modified one of these today.

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Of course, all binaries should be in your path so you should simply type the name of the binary and be done with it.

Yes, but as I said, I'm setting this up for my parents as a Windows migration, so GUI is better.

You misread me. Under the "Execute" tab, in the "command" text box, simply type the name of the binary instead of the full path.

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It doesn't let me bind a specific key to a specific desktop, but I can work around that.

Do you mean for switching to specific desktops? Ctrl-F1,F2,F3,etc. by default. You can change them in the place under the "Shortcut Sequences" tab. - -- James Oakley Engineering - SolutionInc Ltd. joakley@solutioninc.com http://www.solutioninc.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/2has+FOexA3koIgRAlFMAJ9hz+QXFmmMf/oUlp9We6IOTxrKuACcCX1a nDW+4WpOEzDzgzXZVIpaAc0= =XGR+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

John Pettigrew

22:47

In a previous message, James Oakley wrote:

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On Friday 12 December 2003 02:05 pm, John Pettigrew wrote:

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However, this "non-KDE application" button showed only a single little window with no tabs, and the only thing I could change were the command-line arguments and the icon, not the main command itself.

Ah. I've never used that little feature. I create a "Link to application" on the desktop and drag it to kicker. I right-click-modified one of these today.

What exactly is "kicker" (Gnome user, remember)? I've tried dragging an arbitrary script to the panel and it creates a button but, again, there is no "execute" tab on which I could change the command.

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It doesn't let me bind a specific key to a specific desktop, but I can work around that.

Do you mean for switching to specific desktops? Ctrl-F1,F2,F3,etc. by default. You can change them in the place under the "Shortcut Sequences" tab.

Ah - for some reason I didn't spot the different tabs in this window. Thanks. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies!

James Oakley

15 Dec 15 Dec

13:59

New subject: [SLE] Re: Re: Re: KDE question

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 12 December 2003 06:47 pm, John Pettigrew wrote:

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In a previous message, James Oakley wrote:

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On Friday 12 December 2003 02:05 pm, John Pettigrew wrote:

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However, this "non-KDE application" button showed only a single little window with no tabs, and the only thing I could change were the command-line arguments and the icon, not the main command itself.

Ah. I've never used that little feature. I create a "Link to application" on the desktop and drag it to kicker. I right-click-modified one of these today.

What exactly is "kicker" (Gnome user, remember)? I've tried dragging an arbitrary script to the panel and it creates a button but, again, there is no "execute" tab on which I could change the command.

Kicker is the panel. The exact process I use to add an app to it: - - Right-click on desktop and select "Create new" -> "Link to Application..." - - Give it a name - - Select an icon (click on the icon in the dialog) - - Go to the "Execute" tab and type the name of the program's executable (eg: 'netscape') - - Ok - - Drag newly created icon to the kicker panel - -- James Oakley Engineering - SolutionInc Ltd. joakley@solutioninc.com http://www.solutioninc.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3b5E+FOexA3koIgRAhj8AJwMARPUOGxjZt4z34uPG29lAdnE0gCfUsgM /X7DARxiuNO86VEkYYNCEb8= =qwJF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

John Pettigrew

14:44

In a previous message, James Oakley wrote:

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On Friday 12 December 2003 06:47 pm, John Pettigrew wrote:

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I've tried dragging an arbitrary script to the panel and it creates a button but, again, there is no "execute" tab on which I could change the command.

Kicker is the panel.

The exact process I use to add an app to it:

Ah - now that works! I've no idea why the Add->Special->Non-KDE application option produces an inferior result. Still, at least there's a solution (if not an elegant one). Thanks, John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you!

David Herman

12 Dec 12 Dec

20:53

New subject: [SLE] KDE question

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 12 December 2003 07:54 am, Derek Fountain wrote:

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On Friday 12 December 2003 22:11, John Pettigrew wrote:

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I am going to be installing SuSE 8.2 for my parents this Christmas, and because they're Windows users, I'll be starting them off with KDE as it's the most Windows-like.

That's a myth. At the SUSE-default configuration, maybe KDE does look a bit like Windows. You can configure it however you like though - KDE is much more configurable than GNOME. You can make it look totally unlike Windows if you like.

...
However, as a Gnome user myself, there are a couple of things I would like to know. First, is it possible to add arbitrary commands to panel buttons in KDE as it is in Gnome?

Right click on the panel->Add->Special Button->Non KDE Application. Point it to your binary.

...
Second, is it possible to configure the keyboard shortcuts for (e.g.) different desktops in KDE?

Er... you mean change the keyboard shortcut which switches between virtual desktops? I don't think so, but maybe I just can't see it either. :o)

kControlCenter -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Shortcut Sequences tab - -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/2iqzBwgxlylUsJARAmk9AJoCS7dhuJFTuYfVXSa4FWpI2FhxNQCgkzOy KG2Uf89sL6sm0kF4cNJHV3g= =4cHx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

John Pettigrew

17:45

In a previous message, John Pettigrew wrote:

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However, as a Gnome user myself, there are a couple of things I would like to know.

Actually, here's a third question, after playing with Konqueror for a while: is it possible to use mailto: links from Konq, and (if so) how can I configure the program used to handle the email? John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies!

Marcel Broekman

23:20

New subject: [SLE] Re: KDE question

On Friday 12 December 2003 18:45, John Pettigrew wrote:

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In a previous message, John Pettigrew wrote:

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However, as a Gnome user myself, there are a couple of things I would like to know.

Actually, here's a third question, after playing with Konqueror for a while: is it possible to use mailto: links from Konq, and (if so) how can I configure the program used to handle the email?

John

of course! this is also done from the Control Centre. I'm not sure if it's in the same place as in 9.0 (seem to remember it a bit different) but anyway, on 9.0 it's in Control Centre > KDE Components > Component Chooser. Here you can choose the default email client for all KDE apps, as well as default embedded text editor and terminal emulator. regards, Marcel

John Pettigrew

13 Dec 13 Dec

12:03

In a previous message, Marcel Broekman wrote:

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I'm not sure if it's in the same place as in 9.0 (seem to remember it a bit different) but anyway, on 9.0 it's in Control Centre > KDE Components

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Component Chooser. Here you can choose the default email client for all KDE apps, as well as default embedded text editor and terminal emulator.

Thanks - it is the same :-) John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards

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