[SLE] Mozilla Party 2000 - Auf Deutschland
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And you are invited. We will have sessions saturday afternoon and sunday morning, partying saturday night. As this is our first meeting, the schedule won't be very strict.</font></p> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">The most likely location is Frankfurt, that is, you should have good reasons (and support) to change that. If there are objections to the date of 16-17 september, please mail me.</font></p> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">The meeting will be held in several sessions, each with a chairman, who will present some initial information. There will be no strict order of the sessions, so we will spend time on the topics depending on interest. We don't expect to have parallel sessions, but this can be changed on request.</font></p> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">If you want to comment on anything, feel free to use the discussion board (beneath Aktuell) to the right, or look at the folks page for a mailto link.</font></p> <h1>Sessions</h1> <table border="1" cellpadding="3"><tr><td><h3>Who Is Who</h3><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1"> local/Axel Hecht</font></td><td><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">This being the first meeting, getting to know each other is a good thing.</font></td></tr><tr><td><h3>Report Developers Conference 2000</h3><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1"> Brian King</font></td><td><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">Brian (and others) attend the <a href="http://www.alphanumerica.com/events/mozilla-meeting-2.0/"> developers conference</a> in Mountain View hosted by alphanumerica. And he's going to tell us all about it. :-></font></td></tr><tr><td><h3>L10N</h3><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1"> Robert Kaiser</font></td><td><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">Translating and localizing the lizard</font></td></tr><tr><td><h3>Community in Europe</h3><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1"> Claus Augusti</font></td><td><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">What is there to support contributers to the lizard, or application developers, what needs to be done</font></td></tr><tr><td><h3>Webtools, Bug Hunting</h3><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1"> void</font></td><td><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">I found a bug, what now? How do the webtools help in dealing with the source</font></td></tr><tr><td><h3>Application Development, Mozilla as Platform</h3><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1"> void/Axel Hecht</font></td><td><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">What apps are developed? General procedure, XUL, XBL, javascript, XPCOM</font></td></tr><tr><td><h3>Future Actions</h3><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1"> Claus Augusti/Brian King</font></td><td><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">What events are up? Who would like what? Doing promotions in europe. </font></td></tr><tr><td><h3>XML-RPC (and xmlextras)</h3><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1"> Martijn Pieters</font></td><td><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">XML-RPC is sure an interesting technology for those into intranet applications, or need to access server data</font></td></tr></table></p> <h1>Organization:</h1> <table border="0" cellpadding="3"><tr><td>Axel Hecht</td></tr><tr><td>ah@numerik.uni-kiel.de </td></tr><tr><td>cellphone: 0049 174 7497614 </td></tr></table> </font></td></tr></table></td><td width="20%"><TABLE border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD align="middle"><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org/"><IMG alt="Home" border="0" height="36" src="/mozine/imgs/navHeader.gif" width="175"></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><TBODY><TR bgcolor="#669900" valign="top"><TD><TABLE bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD> <FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1"><a href="http://www.entwickler-forum.de/cgi-bin/WebX?1@@/Mozilla">forum</a></FONT></p> <FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1"><a href="/mozine/news/?req=submitNews">news melden</a><a href="/mozine/news/?req=submitArticle">artikel einschicken</a><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org/builds/">download</A><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org/screenshots/">screenshots</A><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org/resources/">ressourcen</A><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org/chromezone/"><B>neue chromeZone</B></A><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org/chrome/">alte chromeZone</A><A href="/mozine/demos/">demos</A><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org/reviews/">leser reviews</A><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org/chat/">chat</A><br><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org/directory/"><B>Open Directory</B></A><br><B><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org">Amerikanisches MZ</A></B><B><A href="http://mozillazine-fr.org/">Franzoesisches MZ</A></B><B><A href="http://www.across.or.jp/ryuzik/mozillazine/">Japanisches MZ</A></B><B><A href="http://home.hkstar.com/~chipang/mozillazine/">Chinesisches MZ</A></B><br><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org/members/"><B>mitglieder</B></A><A href="/mozine/about.html">impressum</A><A href="http://www.mozillazine.org/advertising">werbung</A><br><br></FONT></p></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></td></tr></table></body> -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
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Steve please, no HTML and no links that activly connect to a site that you don't intend to. Think of all the poor souls that use outhouse and might catch a viruus that way. Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
juergen.braukmann@ruhr-west.de wrote:
Steve please,
no HTML and no links that activly connect to a site that you don't intend to. Think of all the poor souls that use outhouse and might catch a viruus that way.
Juergen
Jürgen, So sorry. I change configuration, install new versions, and move between systems so often, I lose track of how things are configured. I'm hoping that when Moz finally matures I will be able to select address specific configurations. I like html, xhtml, js, and the like. In a couple of years we should have a fairly robust PKI in place which will enable the communication of trusted mobile code. That'll be cool. I also understand some folks don't like these formats. I try to respect that. What do you mean by "links to actively connect to a site?" I didn't intend to select "send page." I perfer, "send link." I'll take a look in the archive to see how bad I really was. There is a chance I did select the correct option, but the selection mapping was wrong. I've been using daily builds of Moz lately. I would say the folks using OSs that automatically execute code that can make direct system calls get what they deserve, but then I would be talking abut my mother, and that wouldn't be cool. Thanks for pointing out my sins. I would never have known if you hadn't let me know. BTW, do you know an easy way to get umlauts when you're using a typical American configuraton? I often go find a page written in German and copy and paste. Steve -- For a look at the future click below: http://www.suse.com || http://www.linuxbase.org http://www.kde.org || http://samba.anu.edu.au http://www.winehq.com || http://www.mozilla.org -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
"Steven T. Hatton" wrote:
juergen.braukmann@ruhr-west.de wrote:
Steve please,
no HTML and no links that activly connect to a site that you don't intend to. Think of all the poor souls that use outhouse and might catch a viruus that way.
Juergen
Jürgen,
So sorry. I change configuration, install new versions, and move between systems so often, I lose track of how things are configured. I'm hoping that when Moz finally matures I will be able to select address specific configurations. I like html, xhtml, js, and the like. In a couple of years we should have a fairly robust PKI in place which will enable the communication of trusted mobile code. That'll be cool. I also understand some folks don't like these formats. I try to respect that.
What do you mean by "links to actively connect to a site?" I didn't intend to select "send page." I perfer, "send link." I'll take a look in the archive to see how bad I really was. There is a chance I did select the correct option, but the selection mapping was wrong. I've been using daily builds of Moz lately.
I would say the folks using OSs that automatically execute code that can make direct system calls get what they deserve, but then I would be talking abut my mother, and that wouldn't be cool. Thanks for pointing out my sins. I would never have known if you hadn't let me know.
BTW, do you know an easy way to get umlauts when you're using a typical American configuraton? I often go find a page written in German and copy and paste.
Steve
Hi Steve, yes I know, there are differences between send link or send page. I also never know what means what and in which circunstances. In my case netscape directly tried to open that page and ma dial on demand system dialed out to fetch / actualise that page. In some cases this happens (with netscape) by sending this html stuff. Had a discussion last year with so. on this list about that; I couldn't reproduce the situation, though. basicly it's a nuicance and that's why I complained. If the cause is the use of "experimental" software on your end -well than be it-. I am afraid that this might turn into a habbit and I do not like that my stystem dials out when I try to read a message. If this happens on occasion - well thats like white noise in the background. With windows beeing pointed to the "right" webside, nasty things are imagniable. But hell, what is this "Windows" ? ;-)) Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Well, I think I'm able to contribute to the discussion about the Netscape/Mozilla behavior connecting to the web. In Windoze, I'm used to an obedient Netscape, that connects automatically when I ask it to so by accepting a URL, by clicking the Send tab or the Get Msg tab. That's great. In Linux things are disgraceful in this respect. If you just set up a normal dial up configuration, Netscape seems to work normally, but there is a difference between being logged in as root compared to as a user. As root you can easily browse whatever belongs to localhost. As a user Netscape starts (tries to) a dial up connection. If you disconnect e.g. the ISDN cable, it is revealed what is going on: Cannot connect to internic.net, home.netscape.com, home6.netscape.com. I did a look up using the hex editor in the Netscape binary, and I actually found these URLs. Then I replaced these URLs with localhost. It made, however, no difference. Now I had three error messages regarding localhost which by deafult is supposed be resolved. Obviously, Netscape wants to do a DNS look up or what .... What the h... is this business about. I thought Netscape was a proggie made by grown ups for grown ups. I certainly don't need any DNS lookup until I actually need it. It even gets worse setting up your email account. Then you can't even start Messenger before a dial up connection has been established. In Windoze, I have for years had a constant routine of carefully studying certain email long after downloading it. It has always been absolutely peacefully, as I could just open Messenger to review these messages. If I make My Linux machine my default machine ... well do I have to say more. What dumb insolence this is, how stupid programming can you encounter or is such stupid features made at the request of 'external partners'? If Netscape had been a Seattle proggie, I would understand. Anyway, I hope it's not. I recognize this as good old System V programming: Remember to initialize buffers, remember to ensure that all available info is available for the session and so on. If anyone on this list is going to attend the moz meeting, then ask these people when they are going to stop this kinder garden game. In deep disgust, Niels "Steven T. Hatton" wrote:
juergen.braukmann@ruhr-west.de wrote:
Steve please,
no HTML and no links that activly connect to a site that you don't intend to. Think of all the poor souls that use outhouse and might catch a viruus that way.
Juergen
Jürgen,
So sorry. I change configuration, install new versions, and move between systems so often, I lose track of how things are configured. I'm hoping that when Moz finally matures I will be able to select address specific configurations. I like html, xhtml, js, and the like. In a couple of years we should have a fairly robust PKI in place which will enable the communication of trusted mobile code. That'll be cool. I also understand some folks don't like these formats. I try to respect that.
What do you mean by "links to actively connect to a site?" I didn't intend to select "send page." I perfer, "send link." I'll take a look in the archive to see how bad I really was. There is a chance I did select the correct option, but the selection mapping was wrong. I've been using daily builds of Moz lately.
I would say the folks using OSs that automatically execute code that can make direct system calls get what they deserve, but then I would be talking abut my mother, and that wouldn't be cool. Thanks for pointing out my sins. I would never have known if you hadn't let me know.
BTW, do you know an easy way to get umlauts when you're using a typical American configuraton? I often go find a page written in German and copy and paste.
Steve
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Niels Stenhøj wrote:
If anyone on this list is going to attend the moz meeting, then ask these people when they are going to stop this kinder garden game.
In deep disgust,
Niels
Niels, I will argue that, in the future, the "Netscape" browser will be the responsibility of the user community. If you find something wrong with Moz and you haven't reported it here: http://www.mozilla.org/bugs/ then you can't really complain. Have you ever compiled the Lizard? It's rather humbling to me to see how much work as gone into this product. I have all kinds of problems with Netscape's browser on Linux. These guys use another version of Linux to do their builds, so SuSE specific problems may go undetected. And if you really want to be able to complain with impunity about the quality of your browser, start hacking code. Steve -- For a look at the future click below: http://www.suse.com || http://www.linuxbase.org http://www.kde.org || http://samba.anu.edu.au http://www.winehq.com || http://www.mozilla.org -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi Steven et al! Thanks for your consoling words. I will inspect the Mozilla code for these annoying initial DNS look ups - and I'll report peculiarities to Mozbugs. I admit my message was sharply worked out, but it came right from my heart. Years of battling with a certain other OS leaves it's traces. Cheers, Niels "Steven T. Hatton" wrote:
Niels,
I will argue that, in the future, the "Netscape" browser will be the responsibility of the user community. If you find something wrong with Moz and you haven't reported it here:
then you can't really complain. Have you ever compiled the Lizard? It's rather humbling to me to see how much work as gone into this product. I have all kinds of problems with Netscape's browser on Linux. These guys use another version of Linux to do their builds, so SuSE specific problems may go undetected.
And if you really want to be able to complain with impunity about the quality of your browser, start hacking code.
Steve
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