[opensuse] file system query

doiggl＠velocitynet.com.au

28 Oct 2013 28 Oct '13

20:43

Hello, A Question: Will it possible to keep the file system in place for / when 13.1 is released Prefer not change its format from 12.3 for / /dev/sda2 reiserfs 12546364 9673316 2873048 78% / Thanks Glenn Details of my 12.3 install as follows. # fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 64.0 GB, 64023257088 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7783 cylinders, total 125045424 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0xcc791374 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 63 36435419 18217678+ 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2 * 36435420 61528949 12546765 83 Linux /dev/sda3 61528950 120119295 29295173 83 Linux /dev/sda4 120119296 125044735 2462720 82 Linux swap / Solaris # df -T Filesystem Type 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on devtmpfs devtmpfs 3916544 32 3916512 1% /dev tmpfs tmpfs 3966368 92 3966276 1% /dev/shm tmpfs tmpfs 3966368 4264 3962104 1% /run /dev/sda2 reiserfs 12546364 9673316 2873048 78% / tmpfs tmpfs 3966368 0 3966368 0% /sys/fs/cgroup tmpfs tmpfs 3966368 4264 3962104 1% /var/lock tmpfs tmpfs 3966368 4264 3962104 1% /var/run /dev/sda3 reiserfs 29294268 25772048 3522220 88% /home -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R.

30 Oct 30 Oct

15:03

On 2013-10-28 21:43, doiggl@velocitynet.com.au wrote:

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Hello, A Question: Will it possible to keep the file system in place for / when 13.1 is released Prefer not change its format from 12.3 for /

/dev/sda2 reiserfs 12546364 9673316 2873048 78% / Thanks Glenn

No, you can not format it as reiserfs, so you would have to leave it "not formatted". For that to work, you would have to instead erase the entire partition. Also, you probably would need to create a separate /boot partition as ext2, because it can not be ensured that grub can still boot a reiserfs partition directly. You would have to verify all that. I would let the install format root as Ext4, and leave home on reiserfs if you wish, or switch to XFS. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

Felix Miata

17:14

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Will it possible to keep the file system in place for / when 13.1 is released Prefer not change its format from 12.3 for /

The openSUSE installer does not require formatting of / at installation time. It's a bad idea to reuse a normally populated / partition. If you want to preserve filesystem formatting, you should manually delete at least the system binaries (/bin, /usr/bin, /lib, /usr/lib, /sbin, /usr/sbin, /usr/lib, /var/lib and the like) before beginning installation. Nearly always I prepare the / target in advance, rarely allowing any Linux installer (other than Fedora, which will not proceed with installation otherwise) to create a new / filesystem. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

17:45

On 10/30/2013 10:14 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2013-10-29 07:43 (GMT+1100) doiggl@velocitynet.com.au composed:

Is your ISP or the webmail service you use on the other side of the International Date Line from you? Your email date is always a day before all the other dates in your email headers:

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Will it possible to keep the file system in place for / when 13.1 is released Prefer not change its format from 12.3 for /

The openSUSE installer does not require formatting of / at installation time. It's a bad idea to reuse a normally populated / partition. If you want to preserve filesystem formatting, you should manually delete at least the system binaries (/bin, /usr/bin, /lib, /usr/lib, /sbin, /usr/sbin, /usr/lib, /var/lib and the like) before beginning installation.

Nearly always I prepare the / target in advance, rarely allowing any Linux installer (other than Fedora, which will not proceed with installation otherwise) to create a new / filesystem.

Holy 1997 Batman! You can certainly upgrade in place with OpenSuse, even skipping a couple releases without any ill effects. It does a beautiful job of it. There is no reason you would have to format or do anything with your partitions. The upgrade process will remove depricated packages, and overlay replaced ones, and leave those it does not recognize alone. Absolute worst case is you have a small amount of detritus in your system that will never be used and will cause no ill effect. And there is no reason that you can't retain Reiserfs root partition, unless 13.1 forcefully deprecates Reiseerfs, which I have not heard anyone suggest. The suggestion that you have to delete a whole bunch of binaries to upgrade is ludicrous in this day and age. Its not the 1990s any more Felix. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

18:01

On 2013-10-30 13:45 (GMT-0400) John Andersen composed:

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You can certainly upgrade in place with OpenSuse

I was writing about installing, not upgrading. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

auxsvr＠gmail.com

18:47

On Wednesday 30 of October 2013 10:45:03 John Andersen wrote:

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You can certainly upgrade in place with OpenSuse, even skipping a couple releases without any ill effects. It does a beautiful job of it. There is no reason you would have to format or do anything with your partitions. The upgrade process will remove depricated packages, and overlay replaced ones, and leave those it does not recognize alone. Absolute worst case is you have a small amount of detritus in your system that will never be used and will cause no ill effect.

This is not entirely accurate, especially regarding systemd and its dependencies. I had an upgrade once that left systemd hung, and there is a bug report about another problem with dbus and rtkit that requires a patch for 12.3 before upgrade to 13.1. So, I would recommend, especially this time, to upgrade consecutively. That said, I have been upgrading in place for about a decade without major problems, namely problems that persist after a reboot. Regards, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

31 Oct 31 Oct

08:35

auxsvr@gmail.com wrote:

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On Wednesday 30 of October 2013 10:45:03 John Andersen wrote:

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You can certainly upgrade in place with OpenSuse, even skipping a couple releases without any ill effects. It does a beautiful job of it. There is no reason you would have to format or do anything with your partitions. The upgrade process will remove depricated packages, and overlay replaced ones, and leave those it does not recognize alone. Absolute worst case is you have a small amount of detritus in your system that will never be used and will cause no ill effect.

This is not entirely accurate, especially regarding systemd and its dependencies. I had an upgrade once that left systemd hung, and there is a bug report about another problem with dbus and rtkit that requires a patch for 12.3 before upgrade to 13.1. So, I would recommend, especially this time, to upgrade consecutively.

I would generally say so too, but I have also done a couple of 11.4 to 12.3 upgrades without a hitch. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

10:54

Per Jessen wrote:

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auxsvr@gmail.com wrote:

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On Wednesday 30 of October 2013 10:45:03 John Andersen wrote:

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You can certainly upgrade in place with OpenSuse, even skipping a couple releases without any ill effects. It does a beautiful job of it. There is no reason you would have to format or do anything with your partitions. The upgrade process will remove depricated packages, and overlay replaced ones, and leave those it does not recognize alone. Absolute worst case is you have a small amount of detritus in your system that will never be used and will cause no ill effect.

This is not entirely accurate, especially regarding systemd and its dependencies. I had an upgrade once that left systemd hung, and there is a bug report about another problem with dbus and rtkit that requires a patch for 12.3 before upgrade to 13.1. So, I would recommend, especially this time, to upgrade consecutively.

I would generally say so too, but I have also done a couple of 11.4 to 12.3 upgrades without a hitch.

The mentioned bug will hit almost everyone. This time only a fully zypper patch'ed 12.3 will be supported I suspect. Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

30 Oct 30 Oct

18:49

On 2013-10-30 18:45, John Andersen wrote:

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You can certainly upgrade in place with OpenSuse, even skipping a couple releases without any ill effects.

Careful. If you are talking of "zypper dup", it certainly does not support skipping a single version (said by "the boss" in writing). The DVD upgrade does.

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And there is no reason that you can't retain Reiserfs root partition, unless 13.1 forcefully deprecates Reiseerfs, which I have not heard anyone suggest.

Well, the 13.1 YaST partition manager module can no longer format nor modify reiserfs partitions. The section has been removed, silently and intentionally. If they have done the same removal on the grub packages, well... you have a problem. Apparently it is not the case, I see reiserfs modules there, but someone has to verify they work.

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The suggestion that you have to delete a whole bunch of binaries to upgrade is ludicrous in this day and age. Its not the 1990s any more Felix.

He is talking of installing, not upgrading, without formatting. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

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