[opensuse] Can you say ripoff - OT
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium UPGRADE [DVD] $154.99 Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate UPGRADE [DVD] $249.99 Microsoft Windows Vista Business UPGRADE [DVD] $194.99 -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium UPGRADE [DVD] $154.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate UPGRADE [DVD] $249.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Business UPGRADE [DVD] $194.99
Well, you only get ripped off if you buy it...you can download OpenSUSE 10.2 for free instead. If the money saved is filling your pockets, then donate some to open source projects... :-) -- Geir A. Myrestrand -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm a firm believe that Microsoft is in a perpetual loop, they raise prices to make up for all of the piracy and/or all the work they put into the product to prevent piracy. The high price makes piracy even more attractive and increases their efforts. Still don't quite understand why more home users haven't made the migration. ed Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium UPGRADE [DVD] $154.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate UPGRADE [DVD] $249.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Business UPGRADE [DVD] $194.99
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I'm a firm believe that Microsoft is in a perpetual loop, they raise prices to make up for all of the piracy and/or all the work they put into the product to prevent piracy. The high price makes piracy even more attractive and increases their efforts.
Still don't quite understand why more home users haven't made the migration.
Because home users a) work with what they have to deal with at the office, which inevitably implements the latest M$ toxicity, b) buy computers with M$ installed and c) need to communicate with other M$ toxicity and don't understand the difference between an application and an operating system. My puzzlement is why the home user buys a cheap box, yet pays for the hassle and expense of M$ upgrades, yet doesn't buy a Mac up-front, which IMHO is a near-perfect unix platform, at least as far as the user interface is concerned. IMHO if corporate environments can be released from the M$ addiction, the problem is solved. We may see the lead being taken in Europe and China. -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 08 January 2007 16:34, Tony Alfrey wrote:
E. Hoon Shim wrote:
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I'm a firm believe that Microsoft is in a perpetual loop, they raise prices to make up for all of the piracy and/or all the work they put into the product to prevent piracy. The high price makes piracy even more attractive and increases their efforts.
Still don't quite understand why more home users haven't made the migration.
Because home users a) work with what they have to deal with at the office, which inevitably implements the latest M$ toxicity, b) buy computers with M$ installed and c) need to communicate with other M$ toxicity and don't understand the difference between an application and an operating system.
My puzzlement is why the home user buys a cheap box, yet pays for the hassle and expense of M$ upgrades, yet doesn't buy a Mac up-front, which IMHO is a near-perfect unix platform, at least as far as the user interface is concerned.
IMHO if corporate environments can be released from the M$ addiction, the problem is solved. We may see the lead being taken in Europe and China.
By Job! I think you've hit every nail on the head! Break the M$ market lock-in and watch it crumble (at least to a fair extent) like the house of cards it is. There DRM schema will have a large amount of the soon to be negative outlook on M$ products. They don't seem to learn from others experiences. The RIAA affiliates tried to implement DRM protections one fairly large pop-music artist in England. The end-result was (luckily in GB you can actually return music CD's to the store) that they refused to play on various cd players (old models with differing chipsets) and PC's in general. This led to a mass revolt by patrons of said artists and said artist sued and won release from her contract as a result. M$' DRM schema is going to have a similar problem. Just wait until people make a home DVD and give it to Grandma and she can use it, or when a corporate suit uses his fav spreadsheet program (non-M$) and Powerpoint clone program to make a presentation for the board room and it refuses to play - ya! that'll go over really well. The days of the CIO/CTO opting carte blanche for anything M$ in his/her budget may be getting seriously curtailed. Not to mention that well over 3/4 of the PC's on corp desktops won't run Vista (and Dell, HP, etc are hoping this translates to new/large contracts). Nope - look past the M$ hyperbole and the future is quite far from certain on the M$ front. And that's just here in the U.S. Europe and the rest of the world has far less tolerance for M$ BS IMHO. Cheers, Curtis. -- Spammers Beware: Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! I don't want a politician I can believe in. I simply want a politician I can believe!
As much as I hate M$ , let me share my experiences with my new HP
dv6171cl , laptop
with AMD TL-52 dual core , 2GB Ram , M$ Media Centre. blabla....
I pick it off of the store , i run to my house to shrink the windows
partition and install Opensuse-10.2
ok
1) Normal install breaks in partitioning ......good no worries
2) Safe Install goes through....uses nv for Nvidia GeForce Go 6150
..kernel crashes repeatedly
on trying to install libstdc++41-x86_64 ,
3) Safe Install Suse-10.0 , hoping kernel is stable , now it crashes
more randomly
4) Try and upgrade 10.0 to 10.2 ..install breaks in removal of unused packages
4.1) Install 10.2 in safe mode again...
5) i file X.org bugs in bugzilla.novell.com, reply is 'WONTFIX' please
use nvidias proprietary drivers
6) I take another 2 days to get my nvidia driver compiled and running
, by googling for hours to figure out that i gotta boot the kernel
with noapic
7) In these two days , I try Ubuntu Dapper Drake , for all its worth ,
the live CD cannot even start X
talk abt use friendly...ironic
8) I manage to insert nvidia.ko and restart X using sax , i have had
an uptime of 3 days now.
9) My broadcom wireless ( bcm43xx.ko ) doesnot work gotta do some
firmware stuff...etc..
I love Linux and Suse ,and i had no qualms abt struggling for 2
weeks before I am all set , do u expect a newbie to buy a laptop and
break his head like this , or would he rather pay those exorbitant
charges and get a peace of mind and use his laptop....
Is Linux really really ready for "ALL" Desktops ..????
Thanks
Digz
On 1/8/07, Curtis Rey
On Monday 08 January 2007 16:34, Tony Alfrey wrote:
E. Hoon Shim wrote:
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I'm a firm believe that Microsoft is in a perpetual loop, they raise prices to make up for all of the piracy and/or all the work they put into the product to prevent piracy. The high price makes piracy even more attractive and increases their efforts.
Still don't quite understand why more home users haven't made the migration.
Because home users a) work with what they have to deal with at the office, which inevitably implements the latest M$ toxicity, b) buy computers with M$ installed and c) need to communicate with other M$ toxicity and don't understand the difference between an application and an operating system.
My puzzlement is why the home user buys a cheap box, yet pays for the hassle and expense of M$ upgrades, yet doesn't buy a Mac up-front, which IMHO is a near-perfect unix platform, at least as far as the user interface is concerned.
IMHO if corporate environments can be released from the M$ addiction, the problem is solved. We may see the lead being taken in Europe and China.
By Job! I think you've hit every nail on the head! Break the M$ market lock-in and watch it crumble (at least to a fair extent) like the house of cards it is. There DRM schema will have a large amount of the soon to be negative outlook on M$ products. They don't seem to learn from others experiences. The RIAA affiliates tried to implement DRM protections one fairly large pop-music artist in England. The end-result was (luckily in GB you can actually return music CD's to the store) that they refused to play on various cd players (old models with differing chipsets) and PC's in general. This led to a mass revolt by patrons of said artists and said artist sued and won release from her contract as a result.
M$' DRM schema is going to have a similar problem. Just wait until people make a home DVD and give it to Grandma and she can use it, or when a corporate suit uses his fav spreadsheet program (non-M$) and Powerpoint clone program to make a presentation for the board room and it refuses to play - ya! that'll go over really well. The days of the CIO/CTO opting carte blanche for anything M$ in his/her budget may be getting seriously curtailed. Not to mention that well over 3/4 of the PC's on corp desktops won't run Vista (and Dell, HP, etc are hoping this translates to new/large contracts).
Nope - look past the M$ hyperbole and the future is quite far from certain on the M$ front. And that's just here in the U.S. Europe and the rest of the world has far less tolerance for M$ BS IMHO.
Cheers, Curtis.
-- Spammers Beware: Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again!
I don't want a politician I can believe in. I simply want a politician I can believe!
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On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 19:33 -0500, Digvijoy Chatterjee wrote:
I love Linux and Suse ,and i had no qualms abt struggling for 2 weeks before I am all set , do u expect a newbie to buy a laptop and break his head like this , or would he rather pay those exorbitant charges and get a peace of mind and use his laptop....
Is Linux really really ready for "ALL" Desktops ..????
This is a totally unfair comparison. some guy payed exclusively to install, configure and test M$ on that laptop probably spent the better part of a day making that "pre-installed" image, an I might add with no doubt direct phone support from the hardware manufacturers of all peripheral chipsets. It's not Linux that is the problem it's the hardware manufacturers, I'm sure that even the guy doing the same thing at Apple takes a few days to get a new platform running smooth and Apple is it's own hardware supplier. Let's face it, if Lenovo, HP, or Dell pre-installed and set up SmartPM or one of the other repo's, using linux and getting software for daily use would be just as easy. as getting your laptop from the store was for you. p.s and a 3rd less cost. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ysgrifennodd James Tremblay:
Let's face it, if Lenovo, HP, or Dell pre-installed and set up SmartPM or one of the other repo's, using linux and getting software for daily use would be just as easy. as getting your laptop from the store was for you. p.s and a 3rd less cost.
http://www.transtec.co.uk/GB/E/products/Notebooks/transtecv540notebook.html Lenove 550 Notebook £60.00 cheaper with Linux installed as opposed to Windows. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Tremblay wrote: <snip>
It's not Linux that is the problem it's the hardware manufacturers, I'm sure that even the guy doing the same thing at Apple takes a few days to get a new platform running smooth and Apple is it's own hardware supplier.
<snip> When the Mac OS blows up (and it did for me once many moons ago early in the OS 10.3.early release) the reinstall is absolutely painless. I've done installs to external hard drives that I use for a backup system for defrag (yes, even a Mac needs defrag once in a very great while) and they could be done by a small child. And if you've upgraded the system beyond your original install, the upgrades happen absolutely automatically, transparently, and painlessly on-line with virtually no user input needed ("select which packages you'd like") from on-line. I am not trolling here or trying to stir up the pot, but a Mac is a gorgeous example of what Linux can be. Frankly, my Mac has given me new hope that Linux can one day be successful, because the Mac (freeBSD with a lot of GUI in between kernel and user)should be a model. Your point about "Apple is it's own hardware supplier" is absolutely correct and relevant. But surely those who decide on such things as a Linux Standard Base could decide on a Standard Hardware Base, and vendors could be encouraged to advertise their products as Linux Standard Hardware Base compatible. Surely everyone at SuSE "knows" their own box; this could serve as a basis for a list of "known functional systems". This is what I did for my first Linux box eight years ago: I went down to what was at one time VA Research and I said "I'm stupid, build me a box that works". -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ysgrifennodd Tony Alfrey:
<snip /> But surely those who decide on such things as a Linux Standard Base could decide on a Standard Hardware Base, and vendors could be encouraged to advertise their products as Linux Standard Hardware Base compatible. Surely everyone at SuSE "knows" their own box; this could serve as a basis for a list of "known functional systems".
I'm a bit late to this discussion, but if I understand you correctly, my response is, "Eh??" It's hard enough getting h/w manufacturers to consider Linux at all, never mind getting them to "advertise ... as LSB compatible". I've used Linux now for about 10 years. As my queries here will testify I'm about as much use at admin tasks as a fish is at bicycling; however I've never had an insuperable problem with hardware except for an early DSL modem, and I solved that one by buying a router. My current box had XP Home on it when purchased. I replaced this with XP Pro/SuSE 10.0. Neither installation took more than a few minutes. On the Linux side, the sound card worked out-of-the-box. On XP, I had to scour the internet for drivers since the proper drivers had been present in the original setup, which I'd erased to install XP. Some of us are grown up enough to realise that occasionally there will be problems when we install a new OS on a given hardware configuration. This is true of any general purpose OS - which OS/X is not, because it is only built to work on a single configuration. We just do the best we can to get over it and get on with the rest of our lives. If I've completely misunderstood the thrust of your argument, I apologise profusely and will add you to my list of people for whom I need to purchase beer. :) Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Peter Bradley wrote:
Ysgrifennodd Tony Alfrey:
<snip /> But surely those who decide on such things as a Linux Standard Base could decide on a Standard Hardware Base, and vendors could be encouraged to advertise their products as Linux Standard Hardware Base compatible. Surely everyone at SuSE "knows" their own box; this could serve as a basis for a list of "known functional systems".
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My current box had XP Home on it when purchased. I replaced this with XP Pro/SuSE 10.0. Neither installation took more than a few minutes. On the Linux side, the sound card worked out-of-the-box. On XP, I had to scour the internet for drivers since the proper drivers had been present in the original setup, which I'd erased to install XP.
What is the configuration of your box? You're our first entry in our Linux_Standard_Hardware_Base.Complete_System!! I see many posts on this list of others who did not find that the install of SuSE 10.2 went as smoothly. Indeed, some say "10.0 installed great, 10.2 blew up." Try your system with 10.2. We need Linux_Standard_Hardware_Base.Complete_System.SuSE10point2
Some of us are grown up enough to realise that occasionally there will be problems when we install a new OS on a given hardware configuration. This is true of any general purpose OS - which OS/X is not, because it is only built to work on a single configuration. We just do the best we can to get over it and get on with the rest of our lives.
I agree, and I expect that, too, on my Linux box. But if the goal is to convert more away from M$, it would help the average user for the end result to be more Mac-like. Hence the possible usefulness of such a compatibility list. I'm not the first to propose ways to make the transition to Linux easier for the masses, I'm just thinking about ways to quantify it. For example: there's this new $150 dollar linux laptop for Africa that's being proposed/funded/debated. Here's a Standardized_Configuration that could serve as a Mac-like Linux equivalent. Surely any software upgrades for this box must be infinitely user-friendly, crash-proof and deliverable over the web. Just like a Mac.
If I've completely misunderstood the thrust of your argument, I apologise profusely and will add you to my list of people for whom I need to purchase beer.
:)
I think we're in agreement, but you should still include me on the beer list. -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 16:34:05 PM -0800, Tony Alfrey (tonyalfrey@earthlink.net) wrote:
My puzzlement is why the home user buys a cheap box, yet pays for the hassle and expense of M$ upgrades, yet doesn't buy a Mac up-front, which IMHO is a near-perfect unix platform, at least as far as the user interface is concerned.
Sorry, isn't it obvious? Because: the home user has never heard before of unix many new computer buyers have no idea at all if "Microsoft" means the beige box, the monitor, what they see drawn on the monitor at splash screen, that window in which they type letters or any combination of them. They just know "it's those guys who do all computers" (1) the home user has no idea whatsoever of why he or she should ever care to know these things (and so far the FOSS community has consistently failed to explain it) many computer shops and department stores only sells x86 boxes Marco (1) I regularly meet _professionals_ saying things like "My new computer? I _believe_ is manufactured by that company... what was its name now... Pentium Inc., I believe, but why? Does it make any difference??". Or people proudly telling me "see? Isn't my brand new computer much more beautiful and less bulky than the old one" when all that actually happened is that their partner or son replaced the old CRT monitor with an LCD one, leaving the same beige box unseen under the desk. -- The right way to make everybody love Free Standards and Free Software: http://digifreedom.net/node/73 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 06:28, M. Fioretti wrote:
(1) I regularly meet _professionals_ saying things like "My new computer? I _believe_ is manufactured by that company... what was its name now... Pentium Inc., I believe, but why? Does it make any difference??". Or people proudly telling me "see? Isn't my brand new computer much more beautiful and less bulky than the old one" when all that actually happened is that their partner or son replaced the old CRT monitor with an LCD one, leaving the same beige box unseen under the desk.
And so do I, if I had a pound for every company that when I ask "Do you want an Office package reply with "No I just want Windows so I can write quotes and spreadsheets" I'd be a millionaire. My favourite one is; Me: "OK you have a server, how many clients do you have?" Customer: "What has how many customers I have got to do with it?" UK tv has a lot to answer for in respect of adverts you'd be amazed how many people (even businesses) buy Wireless Laptops because the add shows a guy sitting in the garden using one then phone up the next day; Customer: "Its broken I cant get on the Internet" Me: "Do you have a wireless router?" Customer: "Whats one of them?" Me: "Do you have Broadband?" Customer: "Why do I need that? with wireless I can get on the Internet anywhere!" I could go on the list of 'I can drive but don't ask me whats under the bonnet' users is endless. -- Regards Peter cannon "There is every excuse for not knowing There is no excuse for not asking" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday January 09 2007 2:09 am, Peter Cannon wrote:
I could go on the list of 'I can drive but don't ask me whats under the bonnet' users is endless.
That it is! Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 9. Januar 2007 01:34 schrieb Tony Alfrey:
My puzzlement is why the home user buys a cheap box, yet pays for the hassle and expense of M$ upgrades, yet doesn't buy a Mac up-front, which IMHO is a near-perfect unix platform, at least as far as the user interface is concerned.
can you get a mac at best buy? I think over here in .de macs will start to gain some momentum, media markt (think "fry's", usually in any major town) has been selling macs off the shelves for a while now, and every time i look, people playing around with the macs on display are somewhat amazed. bye, MH -- gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 00:03, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Dienstag, 9. Januar 2007 01:34 schrieb Tony Alfrey:
My puzzlement is why the home user buys a cheap box, yet pays for the hassle and expense of M$ upgrades, yet doesn't buy a Mac up-front, which IMHO is a near-perfect unix platform, at least as far as the user interface is concerned.
can you get a mac at best buy?
Ja können Sie! And at Fry's (large wherehouse like outlet) and at CompUSA!
I think over here in .de macs will start to gain some momentum, media markt (think "fry's", usually in any major town) has been selling macs off the shelves for a while now, and every time i look, people playing around with the macs on display are somewhat amazed.
Cheers, Curtis.
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Curtis Rey schrieb:
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 00:03, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Dienstag, 9. Januar 2007 01:34 schrieb Tony Alfrey:
My puzzlement is why the home user buys a cheap box, yet pays for the hassle and expense of M$ upgrades, yet doesn't buy a Mac up-front, which IMHO is a near-perfect unix platform, at least as far as the user interface is concerned.
can you get a mac at best buy?
Ja können Sie! And at Fry's (large wherehouse like outlet) and at CompUSA!
I wouldn't know, I've been to the usa once so far, for one weekend... and when a friend took me to Fry's in LA back then, we were just looking for computer games, not for what kind of computers they had in stock; besides, it was 2001. bye, MH -- Die unaufgeforderte Zusendung einer Werbemail an Privatleute verstößt gegen §1 UWG und §823 I BGB (Beschluß des LG Berlin vom 2.8.1998 Az: 16 O 201/98). Jede kommerzielle Nutzung der übermittelten persönlichen Daten sowie deren Weitergabe an Dritte ist ausdrücklich untersagt! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 01:33, Mathias Homann wrote:
Curtis Rey schrieb:
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 00:03, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Dienstag, 9. Januar 2007 01:34 schrieb Tony Alfrey:
My puzzlement is why the home user buys a cheap box, yet pays for the hassle and expense of M$ upgrades, yet doesn't buy a Mac up-front, which IMHO is a near-perfect unix platform, at least as far as the user interface is concerned.
can you get a mac at best buy?
Ja können Sie! And at Fry's (large wherehouse like outlet) and at CompUSA!
I wouldn't know, I've been to the usa once so far, for one weekend... and when a friend took me to Fry's in LA back then, we were just looking for computer games, not for what kind of computers they had in stock; besides, it was 2001.
MAC's are starting to get more play. They've been fairly strong in such place like professional printing outlets (wife's an artist and uses them frequently for large detailed copy). I garner that the iPod has also turned some toward considering MAC's and many in the pro music circles swear by the (for things such as Logic Pro, Proformer, and Cubase). Oh and my wife won't use anything but a MAC (she dislikes WinTel PC's). Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Curtis.
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On Tuesday 09 January 2007 01:33, Mathias Homann wrote:
Curtis Rey schrieb:
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can you get a mac at best buy?
Ja können Sie! And at Fry's (large wherehouse like outlet) and at CompUSA!
I wouldn't know, I've been to the usa once so far, for one weekend... and when a friend took me to Fry's in LA back then, we were just looking for computer games, not for what kind of computers they had in stock; besides, it was 2001.
The Bay Area Fry's stores sell Apple hardware (and software). They sell Macs of various sorts, iPods and a variety of Apple-brand accessories.
bye, MH
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On Tue January 9 2007 10:12 am, Randall R Schulz scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 01:33, Mathias Homann wrote:
Curtis Rey schrieb:
...
can you get a mac at best buy?
Ja können Sie! And at Fry's (large wherehouse like outlet) and at CompUSA!
I wouldn't know, I've been to the usa once so far, for one weekend... and when a friend took me to Fry's in LA back then, we were just looking for computer games, not for what kind of computers they had in stock; besides, it was 2001.
The Bay Area Fry's stores sell Apple hardware (and software). They sell Macs of various sorts, iPods and a variety of Apple-brand accessories.
So now these people are locked into proprietary hardware and software? Super! Esp. w/ Jobs at the wheel things just go up up up... when revenue slows, we pop out another ipod and every kid just must have that one. bah! I have a mac fanatic in the family.. he still insists the mac doesn't need the usual parts one expects in a computer.. ( Harddrive, mobo, processor, etc. )because, well, "it's a mac" ( and he is an idiot , but hey, every family has at least one..) The guy blows glass for a living , not art glass the stuff used in labs, for a community college . Fortunately for him his wife is a lawyer. -- j -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue January 9 2007 12:36 pm, jfweber@gilweber.com scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
On Tue January 9 2007 10:12 am, Randall R Schulz scratched these words
onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 01:33, Mathias Homann wrote:
Curtis Rey schrieb:
...
can you get a mac at best buy?
Ja können Sie! And at Fry's (large wherehouse like outlet) and at CompUSA!
I wouldn't know, I've been to the usa once so far, for one weekend... and when a friend took me to Fry's in LA back then, we were just looking for computer games, not for what kind of computers they had in stock; besides, it was 2001.
The Bay Area Fry's stores sell Apple hardware (and software). They sell Macs of various sorts, iPods and a variety of Apple-brand accessories.
So now these people are locked into proprietary hardware and software? Super! Esp. w/ Jobs at the wheel things just go up up up... when revenue slows, we pop out another ipod and every kid just must have that one. bah!
I have a mac fanatic in the family.. he still insists the mac doesn't need the usual parts one expects in a computer.. ( Harddrive, mobo, processor, etc. )because, well, "it's a mac" ( and he is an idiot , but hey, every family has at least one..) The guy blows glass for a living , not art glass the stuff used in labs, for a community college . Fortunately for him his wife is a lawyer.
right on cue this pops into the inbox
Apple Unveils Mobile Phone, Set-Top Box Steve Jobs says the latest Apple product is three revolutionary devices in one.
MORE DETAILS: http://www.nbc6.net/tu/5lLJ7hDaP.html
Oh joy sublime! -- j -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jfweber@gilweber.com wrote: <snip>
I have a mac fanatic in the family.. he still insists the mac doesn't need the usual parts one expects in a computer.. ( Harddrive, mobo, processor, etc. )because, well, "it's a mac" ( and he is an idiot , but hey, every family has at least one..) The guy blows glass for a living , not art glass the stuff used in labs, for a community college . Fortunately for him his wife is a lawyer.
Since we're <OT> on this, and this is just my opinion: 1. While this 'idiot' may not be computer literate, I will tell you unequivocally that blowing technical glass is one of the hardest f$%^& things I ever tried and doing this well requires a *lot* of skill. 2. The day that a linux box with open source code works as seamlessly and trouble-free as my intel mac (or my ppc mac), then linux will have truly arrived. You'll know that day has come when you no longer see any postings that start with "my printer doesn't work" or "my sound card stopped". I love linux, but I eagerly await the day when any linux box has the ease of use and the software, proprietary or otherwise, that does what my mac can do. Just my opinion! -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 10:13, Tony Alfrey wrote:
2. The day that a linux box with open source code works as seamlessly and trouble-free as my intel mac (or my ppc mac), then linux will have truly arrived. You'll know that day has come when you no longer see any postings that start with "my printer doesn't work" or "my sound card stopped". I love linux, but I eagerly await the day when any linux box has the ease of use and the software, proprietary or otherwise, that does what my mac can do. Just my opinion!
Yes, and your average WindBlows user will say the same thing. I love linux too, but I couldn't agree more with Mr. Alfrey. Richard Pace -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
2. The day that a linux box with open source code works as seamlessly and trouble-free as my intel mac (or my ppc mac), then linux will have truly arrived. You'll know that day has come when you no longer see any postings that start with "my printer doesn't work" or "my sound card stopped". I love linux, but I eagerly await the day when any linux box has the ease of use and the software, proprietary or otherwise, that does what my mac can do. Just my opinion!
Yes, and your average WindBlows user will say the same thing. I love linux too, but I couldn't agree more with Mr. Alfrey.
Hmmm interesting... since I have WAY less issues running SUSE Linux than I do with running Windows XP. Good example.... Windows XP has a hissy fit with the HP All In One printer/scanner/kitchen sink. I install the drivers, it seems happy... reboot Windows... it says I found new hardware... printer no longer works. Hours of tinkering later... it sort of works.. now at random times it stops working, and the only solution seems to be to reinstall the drivers.. sometimes 4 or 5 times in a row... Linux OTOH... seems to work fine with it. Oh... Soundblaster drivers for XP that came with my card. They do not work at all... ie I install them, and nothing. OK, the solution is to download the ones of the Creative site, but it definitely does not work out of the box. I have yet to see a truly trouble free OS. They all have issues... Everyone yells about how trouble free Windows is... but it's NOT trouble free. We're all just used to the crap it gives us. We've been exposed to the Microsoft OS family since what.... early 80's. We've grown up with it. For most people, Linux is a new thing that works totally different and has a totally different learning curve. When things break - and they do in all OSes - we've leaned from long experience how to go about a fix in the familiar OS. Those methods don't work in the Unix world... so we turn to this helpful mailing list. Software is created by people... and we make errors and mistakes. Anyway... my point being... what was my point? I can't remember anymore. I'll stop rambling now C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 19:16 -0500, E. Hoon Shim wrote:
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I'm a firm believe that Microsoft is in a perpetual loop, they raise prices to make up for all of the piracy and/or all the work they put into the product to prevent piracy. The high price makes piracy even more attractive and increases their efforts.
Still don't quite understand why more home users haven't made the migration.
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Because they don't know how, don't want to learn how, and their computer support folks don't do linux migration. My hardware pusher (after years of my talking about linux) has finally put together a Linux box for himself. He likes it, but he's not chomping at the bit to convert his customer base to Linux.
Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 E. Hoon Shim wrote:
I'm a firm believe that Microsoft is in a perpetual loop, they raise prices to make up for all of the piracy and/or all the work they put into the product to prevent piracy. The high price makes piracy even more attractive and increases their efforts.
Their efforts ? What efforts ?
The day that Microsoft software like Windows and MSOffice won't be easy
to crack will be the day Linux takes over the desktop in a snap.
I mean, who is going to pay those huge amounts of licenses ?
MSOffice is insanely expensive.
And in a lot of countries (e.g. South Asia or Africa), it costs as much
as several months of salary.
Frankly, I doubt MS wants piracy of their products to fail.
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On Tuesday 09 January 2007 1:02 am, Pascal Bleser wrote:
E. Hoon Shim wrote:
I'm a firm believe that Microsoft is in a perpetual loop, they raise prices to make up for all of the piracy and/or all the work they put into the product to prevent piracy. The high price makes piracy even more attractive and increases their efforts.
Their efforts ? What efforts ?
The day that Microsoft software like Windows and MSOffice won't be easy to crack will be the day Linux takes over the desktop in a snap.
I mean, who is going to pay those huge amounts of licenses ? MSOffice is insanely expensive. And in a lot of countries (e.g. South Asia or Africa), it costs as much as several months of salary.
At least for the OS, and maybe even for MS Office, I would guess that a very large proportion of the installations are pre-installed by a hardware vendor and the user has no choice in the matter. That's what's pushing Vista, I'm sure. Even among MS fanatics, not many will want to lay out the bucks for an "upgrade" (sarcastic quotes intended). Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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