Hi, ** I agree totally with this thread: Microsoft's OS is not ready for ** prime time. Like I prattled on before, in my office of 25 Windows ** users, only four could install the OS. What - you think that is bad. I get lumbered into helping with things NT at work due to most of the poxy staff being off with stress problems (due to Windows NT!). We also have 800 windows based boxes (mostly 98 but moving to NT). Here's a few nasty ones to make you cringe:- 1/ Ever tried installing Small Business Server? 3 CD's of patches for Windows NT that sequentially install themselves. Installation time: 3 hours. Then it randomly dials out to the Internet to update itself without informing you and/or being able to control it. 2/ mscvrt.dll. Hmm very nasty. Ever tried reinstalling a later version of this? I had to write an InstallSheild program and the Inevitable Visual C++ hello world program and insert the DLL into the InstallSheild installation script. Time: 4 hours (included battling with licensing problems and learning Visual C++ basics!!!). Technical details on request :-) 3/ IE5. Suddenly, one solemn day, out IIS server started dishing out something odd which breaks IE5 permanently. It stops cookies being used and prompty commits suicide at the client end on access to a certain _plain_html_ document which validates to HTML4.0 standard from www.w3.org. 4/ The CAD problems. Hmm incompatible version of opengl32.dll....New video cards had to be purchased so that NT could understand them (in 2D as well) with SP6a (These are Matrox G400s which work perfectly with everything else except 6a!!!). They were replaced with 3DLabs Oxygen GVX1s!!! ( £350 more a workstation). 5/ Network load. With no users doing anything and not being logged in or the hub being connected to the router, the CAD segment's hub's collision light flashes continuosly. 6/ Office Paperclip bastard - Just annoys me :={ 7/ The TCO of NT is higher because the employee health insurance goes up after using NT. ** I agree totally with this thread: Microsoft's OS is not ready for ** prime time. I copied this from the top because you are the most right person on the planet :-) I think between Linux (especially SuSE) on the server and desktop, and OpenBSD for the security and network grunt, that they should rightfully get the market instead of Microsoft's lousy stunts. Non serious bit - well maybe not:- If someone gave me a 'Large Nuclear Weapon' I'd quite happily take it to Redmond and play the funeral march on a banjo (just to make their death painful and slow) then set it off :-) I am totally opposed to anything made by Microsoft as it will probably kill me like it has done to so many other companies and support staff. Chris. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Hi Chris, Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk wrote: [snip]
5/ Network load. With no users doing anything and not being logged in or the hub being connected to the router, the CAD segment's hub's collision light flashes continuosly.
I know SMB/NetBEIU is real chatty. I'd put a protocol analyzer (like ethereal) on it and see what's going on. TCP is pretty quiet on my LAN - just an occasional ARP request, but NetBEUI just won't shut up.
6/ Office Paperclip bastard - Just annoys me :={
You mean you don't like waiting 10 seconds as it folds itself up into a bicycle and peddles off when you tell Office to close?
7/ The TCO of NT is higher because the employee health insurance goes up after using NT.
I forgot to include that in my thesis!
** I agree totally with this thread: Microsoft's OS is not ready for ** prime time.
I copied this from the top because you are the most right person on the planet :-)
I think between Linux (especially SuSE) on the server and desktop, and OpenBSD for the security and network grunt, that they should rightfully get the market instead of Microsoft's lousy stunts.
Technical superiority has never been an issue, to wit: - Beta vs VHS: smaller cassette, higher resolution, immune to copyguard; - Amiga vs IBM PC's: easily 8 years ahead of its time in video, graphics and sound (and in the computer world, 8 years is a really long time); Conclusion: Marketing is everything. I just lost a consulting job because I made an off-handed comment about Microsoft's lack of security and stability. I learned after the fact that the company president is a member of Microsoft's Gold Club, and he gets wined and dined and pampered by them four times a year. I guess they forgot to tell him that using the Internet as your LAN's hub is a bad thing. Read this again. Each PC in the company has its own IP address, including the file server, which is also the PDC and Web server. No firewall. No security. No proxy server. Everything directly connected to the Internet. And this is from a pro-Microsoft web site hosting company. -- --- George's View on Computer Security --- There are *only* two levels of security: a) Paranoid; and b) None. George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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From: George Toft
Hi Chris,
Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk wrote: [snip]
5/ Network load. With no users doing anything and not being logged in or the hub being connected to the router, the CAD segment's hub's collision light flashes continuosly.
I know SMB/NetBEIU is real chatty. I'd put a protocol analyzer (like ethereal) on it and see what's going on. TCP is pretty quiet on my LAN - just an occasional ARP request, but NetBEUI just won't shut up.
6/ Office Paperclip bastard - Just annoys me :={
You mean you don't like waiting 10 seconds as it folds itself up into a bicycle and peddles off when you tell Office to close?
7/ The TCO of NT is higher because the employee health insurance goes up after using NT.
I forgot to include that in my thesis!
** I agree totally with this thread: Microsoft's OS is not ready for ** prime time.
I copied this from the top because you are the most right person on the planet :-)
I think between Linux (especially SuSE) on the server and desktop, and OpenBSD for the security and network grunt, that they should rightfully get the market instead of Microsoft's lousy stunts.
Technical superiority has never been an issue, to wit: - Beta vs VHS: smaller cassette, higher resolution, immune to copyguard; - Amiga vs IBM PC's: easily 8 years ahead of its time in video, graphics and sound (and in the computer world, 8 years is a really long time);
Conclusion: Marketing is everything. I just lost a consulting job because I made an off-handed comment about Microsoft's lack of security and stability. I learned after the fact that the company president is a member of Microsoft's Gold Club, and he gets wined and dined and pampered by them four times a year.
Did you really want a job in IT, where all the IT choices where made by non-IT people based on non-techinal facts? Screw that, that is the worst job, you want the person making the techinal choices in the company to be a hard core geek, not someone that is uneducated in the techinal field. A hard core geek, *may* or *may not* choice to use MS products, but atleast the choice will be made on the techinal facts of NT and not because he gets jerked off by Microsoft executes on a daily basics. My company ( which shall remember nameless, because I like to eat ) makes techinal choices for the IT department that are total fucking stupid and have no value what so ever. If I could get a lower paying job, but in a "geek" run comapany, I would switch in a second. I am sorry you lost your job, I know most people like to eat : ) but hopefully you will get a better job without social factors that "shadow" the truth.
I guess they forgot to tell him that using the Internet as your LAN's hub is a bad thing. Read this again. Each PC in the company has its own IP address, including the file server, which is also the PDC and Web server. No firewall. No security. No proxy server. Everything directly connected to the Internet. And this is from a pro-Microsoft web site hosting company.
-- --- George's View on Computer Security --- There are *only* two levels of security: a) Paranoid; and b) None. George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com
What about my favorite: "Ultra Paranoid"
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:) Gotta Love it -----Original Message----- From: Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk [mailto:Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 6:11 AM To: George Toft Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] CNN, SusE, Lousy PR Hi, ** I agree totally with this thread: Microsoft's OS is not ready for ** prime time. Like I prattled on before, in my office of 25 Windows ** users, only four could install the OS. What - you think that is bad. I get lumbered into helping with things NT at work due to most of the poxy staff being off with stress problems (due to Windows NT!). We also have 800 windows based boxes (mostly 98 but moving to NT). Here's a few nasty ones to make you cringe:- 1/ Ever tried installing Small Business Server? 3 CD's of patches for Windows NT that sequentially install themselves. Installation time: 3 hours. Then it randomly dials out to the Internet to update itself without informing you and/or being able to control it. 2/ mscvrt.dll. Hmm very nasty. Ever tried reinstalling a later version of this? I had to write an InstallSheild program and the Inevitable Visual C++ hello world program and insert the DLL into the InstallSheild installation script. Time: 4 hours (included battling with licensing problems and learning Visual C++ basics!!!). Technical details on request :-) 3/ IE5. Suddenly, one solemn day, out IIS server started dishing out something odd which breaks IE5 permanently. It stops cookies being used and prompty commits suicide at the client end on access to a certain _plain_html_ document which validates to HTML4.0 standard from www.w3.org. 4/ The CAD problems. Hmm incompatible version of opengl32.dll....New video cards had to be purchased so that NT could understand them (in 2D as well) with SP6a (These are Matrox G400s which work perfectly with everything else except 6a!!!). They were replaced with 3DLabs Oxygen GVX1s!!! ( ------------------- Ok, where to begin. I inheirited a nice small little network. The last admin was less than lazy. It had Small Business Server 4.5 running on one machine, and the other 13 machines are NT Workstation. The guy installed ALL DEFAULTS on everything. He never cared to shutdown services that were never used. It was running with NT SP4, no service packs had been installed for Exchange, IIS or anything. This one machine was running IIS, Exchange, Proxy Server, Primary Domain Server, DNS Service, FTP Server, and was the gateway for all the computers on the network, to the internet. I could go on forever.... But won't. thanks, Justin -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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