Guys, This is primarily for the kde devs on the list. For some reason, kde4-4.5.4 is pulling in the kde3 defaults and loading the kde3 kicker, dialogs and wallpaper even if your delete both ~/.kde and ~/.kde4 and launch kde4 (with kde4 kdm as the display manager). I have filed a bug at kde.org: See: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262444 The bug report basically states: I launched kde4 and my kde3 kicker and the kde4 plasma panel are both present: [26k] http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/arch/bugs/kde4/k3+k4_panels-640.jpeg So I moved ~/.kde4 figuring it was the problem and launched kde4 again. Still it pulled in my kde3 kicker and background. Huh? So I moved both ~/.kde and ~/.kde4 to make sure there was nothing kde (3 or 4) related in my home directory and I launched kde4 again. To my surprise, kde4 loaded it's plasma panel and then proceeded to load the default kdemod3 kicker and kdemod3 background?? See: [24k] http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/arch/bugs/kde4/k3+k4_panels-new-640.jpg Obviously something is very wrong here. kde4 should not be loading the kdemod3 kicker or background. Looking at the newly created ~/.kde4/share/config files, the kickerrc file contains the following: 15:42 providence:~> cat .kde4/share/config/kickerrc [$Version] update_info=kickerrc.upd:kde_3_1_sizeChanges,kickerrc.upd:kde_3_4_reverseLayout,kickerrc.upd:kde_3_5_kconfigXTize Double-huh? Why would kde-4.5.4 create a kickerrc containing kde3 entries? Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: Have both kde3 and kde4 installed. (using kde4 kdm as display manager) Clean home directory of both ~/.kde and ~/.kde4 Launch kde4 to force defaults to be applied Actual Results: kde3 kicker and kde4 plasma panel are both loaded. Default kde3 wallpaper is used for the kde4 background. Context menus and decorations appear to be kde3 default. Plasma panel is properly styled with kde4 theme. Expected Results: Just a default kde4 panel and theme. So kde devs. I'm really trying to use kde4, I just keep running into issues that cost hours to research, posts to multiple mailing lists, and bug reports. Here, it might be worth looking at why kde4 is even looking for kde3 settings and make sure it doesn't load both sets of configs. This is a kde4 defaults issue (I think), because after removing both ~/.kde and ~/.kde4, I did not expect kde4 to even look for anything kde3 related when it created it new default config on next launch.... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org