[MaiL] Using mutt, Messenger and Mess4Windoze
Hello list-fellows! I resend this because we had a mail bouncing here for some days and thus I may have missed all your replies... / We have now setup our new network in 2 rooms, there is one thing which we find could be solved now. The network concists of three computers, one Suse 7.0, one 7.1 and one Winsuck, because the notebook has a PCMCIA-iSDN card inside which is not yet supported by Suse. Now, one uses MUTT (on 7.1), one uses Netscape Messenger(on 7.0) and the one on the notebook that runs on Windoze uses Netscape Messenger under Windoze environment. We found how to share the inbox etc. files between win's and lx messenger, that's not a problem. We can even access the very same file using links. Also no problem. But is there any way to do this using mutt? For instance, NFS-exporting Netscape's inbox files and editing mails and what have you using mutt? does mutt use the same format? Is a link enough? I was afraid of testing it yet. Any help thankful appreciated. Best regards. -- *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ =Oliver@home= *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 12:08:40PM +0200 or thereabouts, Oliver Ob wrote:
But is there any way to do this using mutt?
For instance, NFS-exporting Netscape's inbox files and editing mails and what have you using mutt? does mutt use the same format? Is a link enough? I was afraid of testing it yet.
Mutt does just about anything, and supports any of the four mailbox formats. Netscape I believe uses the standard mbox format that is standard to Mutt, so just point your mutt in the Netscape mail dir and open your files. If you want to be double safe about this, just copy your Netscrape mail to a new or different dir to play with in Mutt, to test out. Press F1 in Mutt for the help files. Also might be worthwhile to go to mutt.org and get on their email list, as you will surely get a very detailed answer there. It is a fine list. -- Best regards, Gary
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 10:27:25AM -0500, Gary wrote:
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 12:08:40PM +0200 or thereabouts, Oliver Ob wrote:
But is there any way to do this using mutt?
For instance, NFS-exporting Netscape's inbox files and editing mails and what have you using mutt? does mutt use the same format? Is a link enough? I was afraid of testing it yet.
Mutt does just about anything, and supports any of the four mailbox formats. Netscape I believe uses the standard mbox format that is standard to Mutt, so just point your mutt in the Netscape mail dir and open your files. If you want to be double safe about this, just copy your Netscrape mail to a new or different dir to play with in Mutt, to test out. Press F1 in Mutt for the help files. Also might be worthwhile to go to mutt.org and get on their email list, as you will surely get a very detailed answer there. It is a fine list.
In actual fact, it does and doesn't work... Netscape uses a modified mbox format. Mutt can read Netscape's mailbox files (the basic format is the same), but the information about whether a message has been read, forwarded, replied to, etc. is not transferable. I ran into this problem when I moved over to Mutt from Netscape. I wanted to keep track of which messages had been read and which hadn't (out of a mailbox of thousands). Netscape stores the message status information in two message header fields, X-Mozilla-Status and X-Mozilla-Status2, while Mutt stores this information in the standard Status field. In order to make the move to Mutt, I wrote a small perl script to convert the Netscape status headers to standard status headers. I can pass this on if anyone needs it, but it won't be much help here (it won't keep the status flags in sync across both mailboxes). The short answer is that you can read the messages in both clients over an NFS share, but the message status will not be transferable. Just a FYI, Chris -- __ _ -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Chris Reeves /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ICQ# 22219005 _\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 05:02:06PM +0100, Chris Reeves wrote:
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 10:27:25AM -0500, Gary wrote:
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 12:08:40PM +0200 or thereabouts, Oliver Ob wrote:
But is there any way to do this using mutt?
For instance, NFS-exporting Netscape's inbox files and editing mails and what have you using mutt? does mutt use the same format? Is a link enough? I was afraid of testing it yet.
Mutt does just about anything, and supports any of the four mailbox formats. Netscape I believe uses the standard mbox format that is standard to Mutt, so just point your mutt in the Netscape mail dir and open your files. If you want to be double safe about this, just copy your Netscrape mail to a new or different dir to play with in Mutt, to test out. Press F1 in Mutt for the help files. Also might be worthwhile to go to mutt.org and get on their email list, as you will surely get a very detailed answer there. It is a fine list.
In actual fact, it does and doesn't work... Netscape uses a modified mbox format. Mutt can read Netscape's mailbox files (the basic format is the same), but the information about whether a message has been read, forwarded, replied to, etc. is not transferable.
I ran into this problem when I moved over to Mutt from Netscape. I wanted to keep track of which messages had been read and which hadn't (out of a mailbox of thousands). Netscape stores the message status information in two message header fields, X-Mozilla-Status and X-Mozilla-Status2, while Mutt stores this information in the standard Status field.
In order to make the move to Mutt, I wrote a small perl script to convert the Netscape status headers to standard status headers. I can pass this on if anyone needs it, but it won't be much help here (it won't keep the status flags in sync across both mailboxes).
The short answer is that you can read the messages in both clients over an NFS share, but the message status will not be transferable.
Just a FYI, Chris Same problem with mutt and kmail, but the other way around, I use mutt to quickly vet mail and kmail at more leisure. The status flags get lost .. sadly. Cliff
Chris Reeves schrieb:
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 10:27:25AM -0500, Gary wrote:
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 12:08:40PM +0200 or thereabouts, Oliver Ob wrote:
But is there any way to do this using mutt?
For instance, NFS-exporting Netscape's inbox files and editing mails and what have you using mutt? does mutt use the same format? Is a link enough? I was afraid of testing it yet.
In actual fact, it does and doesn't work... Netscape uses a modified mbox format. Mutt can read Netscape's mailbox files (the basic format is the same), but the information about whether a message has been read, forwarded, replied to, etc. is not transferable.
I ran into this problem when I moved over to Mutt from Netscape. I wanted to keep track of which messages had been read and which hadn't (out of a mailbox of thousands). Netscape stores the message status information in two message header fields, X-Mozilla-Status and X-Mozilla-Status2, while Mutt stores this information in the standard Status field.
Now then, as I find Lx-Netscape by far too primitive in using compared to windoze-ns 4.73, I would also drop it and use mutt. Now, why did you come from mutt, I find it much handier to use. is there any way to convert the ns-mbox format to clean mutt mbox ===== format? i mean including the flags that your script does not convert as you said.
In order to make the move to Mutt, I wrote a small perl script to convert the Netscape status headers to standard status headers. I can pass this on if anyone needs it, but it won't be much help here (it won't keep the status flags in sync across both mailboxes).
The short answer is that you can read the messages in both clients over an NFS share, but the message status will not be transferable.
Just a FYI, Chris --
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:18:45PM +0200, Oliver Ob wrote:
Chris Reeves schrieb:
In actual fact, it does and doesn't work... Netscape uses a modified mbox format. Mutt can read Netscape's mailbox files (the basic format is the same), but the information about whether a message has been read, forwarded, replied to, etc. is not transferable.
I ran into this problem when I moved over to Mutt from Netscape. I wanted to keep track of which messages had been read and which hadn't (out of a mailbox of thousands). Netscape stores the message status information in two message header fields, X-Mozilla-Status and X-Mozilla-Status2, while Mutt stores this information in the standard Status field.
Now then, as I find Lx-Netscape by far too primitive in using compared to windoze-ns 4.73, I would also drop it and use mutt. Now, why did you come from mutt, I find it much handier to use.
I moved over *to* Mutt *from* Netscape. ;-)
is there any way to convert the ns-mbox format to clean mutt mbox format? i mean including the flags that your script does not convert as you said.
What I meant was that when you tried to read a plain Netscape mailbox in Mutt, you wouldn't see whether the message has been read, replied to, etc. because this information is stored in a different place, but the actual message would still be there.
In order to make the move to Mutt, I wrote a small perl script to convert the Netscape status headers to standard status headers. I can pass this on if anyone needs it, but it won't be much help here (it won't keep the status flags in sync across both mailboxes).
The purpose of the script is to transfer the message status flags (read, replied to, etc.) from Netscape format to Mutt format. What the script can't do is keep the two types of status headers in sync. Note that there are *some* unimportant Netscape status flags that can't be transfered (e.g. 'watched', 'part downloaded') but these have no meaning in Mutt and don't add any extra information to the message. The only vaguely important flag that isn't moved over to Mutt is the 'forwarded' flag, and I invented a new Mutt flag of my own 'W' for this purpose, although Mutt doesn't do anything with it. There is no other way to transfer the 'forwarded' flag. If you want a copy of the script, email me privately. Hope that helps, Chris -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html __ _ -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Chris Reeves /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ICQ# 22219005 _\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
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