2014-07-10 17:25 GMT-06:00 Alvin Beach :

On 10/07/14 16:55, Thomas Taylor wrote:

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I would like to set up an older desktop system for backing up five home systems over the internal LAN. [snip]

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I'm thinking that rsync would be the best for this use but would entertain other methods. [snip] My main question regards backing up from the two Windows boxes. Would that need Samba or some other software?

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Thanks, Tom

I use rsync through a script on my Linux boxes (through a NFS share) and Create Synchronicity (http://synchronicity.sourceforge.net/) on my Windows box (through a Samba share).

On some of my Linux boxes the script runs when I logout/shutdown (via ~/.kde4/shutdown) and others I use cron to start the script.

On Windows, I have to manually initiate the backup in Create Synchronicity. There may be a way to schedule it, just haven't bothered to look into it.

Very good, although you must first auntenticarse for shared directory Have you tried it on Windows 7 64-bit -- Saludos, cheperobert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer wrote: *-don't blaim the user! it's the mailing list that sets the backwards policy

To share a filesystem between computers you have to have a network protocol.

Or a floppy, or a CD, or a serial line, or a parallel port, or a USB port... oh yeah, and you can share over networks as well.

NFS is the classic linux / unix protocol.

--- "classic" linux protocol? SMB was on linux at the same time or before NFS. Samba is included with most linux distros and the cifs file system is in the kernel (as is NFS).

SMB (or CIFS) is the classic Windows protocol.

---- NetBIOS would be more 'classic'...

You can get NFS clients for Windows, or you can get a SMB server for linux. The best known linux SMB server is called Samba :--)

----- BUT -- I've never been able to get NFS to anything closer than 60-80% of SMB -- on linux or Windows. Note -- I was using NFS when I was at Sun back in the late 80's and early 90's. I didn't really get into smb until I got a job in the Windows and Unix Interop group at SGI.

If you don't need full filesystem semantics (and I don't think you do) you can look at less functional protocols. FTP, SFTP (based on ssh), and rsync's network daemon are examples of less functional protocols.

--- You forget 'ssh-fs'? wasn't it a full emulated fs-layer over ssh? (not that I recommend that)... Stay away from encrypted links on private home networks -- they will kill bandwidth.

The less functional protocols are typically easier to setup and maintain.

Oh? It's pretty easy to mount a Windows Share on linux with linux out of the box and no extra softare on windows. That's why it was top on my list in the final recommendations. Can't say that about rsync, or NFS, et al.

If rsync is your backup tool of choice then the rsync daemon would be what I looked at.

Learning howto setup a daemon on windows or schedule a cron job on windows isn't a piece of cake (and it's scheduler isn't reliable).

It won't handle 100% of the NTFS permissions / extended attributes, but do you really need that?

that's why I said it depended on what his needs were -- maybe a full image for windows once a month/week, and daily's for data.. it realyl depends on what his needs are. But can you backup all the files w/o installing any SW on windows?... only thing that comes "close" (permissions and stuff are also problematic) is windows mount via CIFS on a linux system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdebert wrote:

Couldn't get smb or netbios for Linux 0.99. Not that I didn't try. I needed them but they were not available. Didn't see a working smb implementation til Redhat 5. Even then, was flaky.

---- That was before I got into Linux... I didn't get into linux until RH5...so that would explain perceptions. We had smb on IRIX before that as Jeremy was employed at sgi as well for some number of years. Anyway, NFS was on most platforms I was on and I often tried to make it work as a sub for smb -- as it had better access control at the time, but it was always notably slower (even with TCP connections and larger bufs)... Wasn't until 10Gb ethernet that I hit algorithmic speed problems in smb, as it only uses 1 tcp connection per-user-server. Not much way to parallelize that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Monday 14 Jul 2014 11:46:46 John Andersen wrote:

On 7/14/2014 2:15 AM, Linda Walsh wrote:

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jdebert wrote:

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Couldn't get smb or netbios for Linux 0.99. Not that I didn't try. I needed them but they were not available. Didn't see a working smb implementation til Redhat 5. Even then, was flaky.

---- That was before I got into Linux... I didn't get into linux until RH5...so that would explain perceptions.

We had smb on IRIX before that as Jeremy was employed at sgi as well for some number of years.

Anyway, NFS was on most platforms I was on and I often tried to make it work as a sub for smb -- as it had better access control at the time, but it was always notably slower (even with TCP connections and larger bufs)...

Wasn't until 10Gb ethernet that I hit algorithmic speed problems in smb, as it only uses 1 tcp connection per-user-server. Not much way to parallelize that.

I can't remember my first use of SMB, but prior to that the organizations I worked for were using Novell Netware. Converting to Linux Samba was pretty simple (all windows machines). When we started adding Linux workstations for the engineering group we fiddeled around with NFS, but the need (at that time) to sync userids on all those machines became a nightmare. (Probably due to our ignorance, but still a hassle).

So we kept samba for the linux workstations as well. Never encountered any speed problems that couldn't be solved with faster nics. Windows 7 supports NFS without any 3rd party software but you have to map the share using the command line. -- Paul Groves -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/15/2014 01:18 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On 7/15/2014 9:03 AM, Paul Groves wrote:

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Windows 7 supports NFS without any 3rd party software but you have to map the share using the command line. I didn't know that. Is that with "net use" command line?

Please advise what the command line would read. Would it need to be entered as admin? Thanks--doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org