-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun July 16 2006 22:02, Mike McMullin wrote:

Curtis, send this directly to him, not the list which he probably has stopped reading.

Look at the paragraph above. Only "you" can unsubscribe yourself! If you send an email to suse-linux-e-help you get a response in a matter of minutes (if not seconds) and you'll see this paragraph: "You can start a subscription for an alternate address, for example "john@host.domain", just add a hyphen and your address (with '=' instead of '@') after the command word: To stop subscription for this address, mail: " In your case that would be eallan4@verizon.net (remember, replace the "@" with "=" as with the above example [no quotes]). _________________________________________________________ I sent him a more cordial version of the original. Sometimes we on the list get a little short with newbies (if not rude). I think it might do well for the list vets to bear in mind that if SuSE does start to attract "new users" that they may well be lay persons. In this light we must nuture them rather than alienate them - let the Winblows and BSD elitists assume the role as arrogant and offensive. :) Cheers, Curtis. - -- Spammers Beware: Tresspassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! Warning: Individuals throwing objects at the crocodiles will be asked to retrieve them! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEuyHf7CQBg4DqqCwRAlYKAKDbwA1xOvzGMwrKcsRM0PKDbnEFtACeKdkI ubaYx+MTp5FZZKLXpUCk5gs= =24jE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

On July Monday 17 2006 1:02 am, Mike McMullin wrote in an electronic and somewhat quixotic manner:

On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 17:37 -0700, Curtis Rey wrote:

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On Sun July 16 2006 17:09, ERIC ALLAN wrote:

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unsubscribe <snip> To stop subscription for this address, mail: "

In your case that would be eallan4@verizon.net

Curtis, send this directly to him, not the list which he probably has stopped reading.

I've tried that in the past only to get rude messages that my email address has been turned over to some sort of spam police . I repeat my call for a minimal reading comprehension test as part of activation of accounts. -- j -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

I've tried that in the past only to get rude messages that my email address has been turned over to some sort of spam police . I repeat my call for a minimal reading comprehension test as part of activation of accounts. I would request, that when people send unsubscribe messages to the list,

On Monday 17 July 2006 3:56 pm, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote: that we try to answer that person so the he or she can get off the list, and also it might be better to answer off list. I run a server with 30 listservs running mailman that sends out a monthly reminder complete with instructions on how to unsubscribe, and yet I (as mailman-owner) still get requests to unsubscribe. My response is a canned response. Since I don't run many of the individual lists, I refer them to the list owner if they have trouble. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

On Jul 17, 2006, at 3:56 PM, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:

my email address has been turned over to some sort of spam police .

badges, we don't need no stinken badges! I sent the guy a few directly to him... haven't heard anything back. But on that note - In the past I've done that and I started to get more spam from this address. (I use this for this list only) I may be wrong, but if you think about it, it would be a way to confirm a few hundred-thousand email addresses. Then again, it may just be a coincidence... just odd. Thanks, George

On Monday 17 July 2006 17:06, Felix Miata wrote:

On 06/07/17 16:47 (GMT-0400) suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com apparently typed:

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I sent the guy a few directly to him... haven't heard anything back.

I explained in this thread Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:22:59 -0400 exactly what happened with this particular unsubscribe request series made by my nephew. If anyone is emailing him directly via a reply to his on-list unsubscription request, which includes [SLE] in the subject line, it's not likely getting read.

Mayhaps you could give this person a call???? And save us all this grief??? -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

måndaginn 17 juli 2006 22:47 skrev suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com:

On Jul 17, 2006, at 3:56 PM, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:

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my email address has been turned over to some sort of spam police .

badges, we don't need no stinken badges! We are living those times, you know, where right is wrong and wrong is right. And to enforce it, we need more police to make sure the people behave.

Thanks, George hmmm ... since a bush, is a bush ... does that make you "George of the Jungle" ?

:-) -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

Damon Register wrote: Orn E. Hansen wrote:

hmmm ... since a bush, is a bush ... does that make you "George of the Jungle" ? one of my favorite cartoons.

There are a few things I would like to ask without getting into too much trouble (I hope) I have been noticing these unsubscribe messages and I am curious about why many have SPAM in the subject line. Did I miss the answer to that one? I have also noticed that there seems to be a sudden increase in the number of these things. I find it hard to believe that there is such a sudden increase in ignorance. Is there something else going on? Of the ones I bothered to check, I see that they are the only posts by those sending the unsubscribe requests. Though I have seen spam in the archives, I have not seen spam in the mailing list until now. That makes me wonder if there is a connection between these requests and spam. Is this possibly a new way of sending spam or harvesting addresses? Damon Register I am also seeing these types of headers posted to my yahoo account that have nothing to do with this or any other Linux list. Somthing happening in the ISP universe?

On Tuesday 18 July 2006 23:51, Bruce Marshall wrote:

I can only think that SuSE checks for spam but in any case if the mail came from a list member, it allows it through.

In this case it would be thoroughly redundant, since the list is closed (for-subscribers-only).

Or some other criteria - list member + low spam score?

forget the "list member" since that will always be true. Without actually asking Henne how it's set up, I'd guess it allows through borderline scores -- Ut supra post festum sunt obscura -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

On Wednesday 19 July 2006 00:09, Bruce Marshall wrote:

On Tuesday 18 July 2006 17:59, Anders Johansson wrote:

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Or some other criteria - list member + low spam score?

forget the "list member" since that will always be true. Without actually asking Henne how it's set up, I'd guess it allows through borderline scores

Yeh but....... if they don't check for list members then how does all that spam get into the archives? And I think all of the archive emails that are true spam also include the *SPAM in the subject line.

Sounds like they should just toss anything that is not from a list member.

They do. The problem is that there is a bug in the list manager used that allows people to inject things directly into the archive, bypassing the members check. There is no risk it will be sent through to subscribers, but archive readers can see them I think this has been taken care of in the new list manager being set up on opensuse.org -- Ut supra post festum sunt obscura -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

From: "Damon Register"

Orn E. Hansen wrote:

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hmmm ... since a bush, is a bush ... does that make you "George of the Jungle" ? one of my favorite cartoons.

There are a few things I would like to ask without getting into too much trouble (I hope)

I have been noticing these unsubscribe messages and I am curious about why many have SPAM in the subject line. Did I miss the answer to that one?

I have also noticed that there seems to be a sudden increase in the number of these things. I find it hard to believe that there is such a sudden increase in ignorance. Is there something else going on?

Of the ones I bothered to check, I see that they are the only posts by those sending the unsubscribe requests.

Though I have seen spam in the archives, I have not seen spam in the mailing list until now. That makes me wonder if there is a connection between these requests and spam. Is this possibly a new way of sending spam or harvesting addresses?

SUSE has started using SpamAssassin. Apparently their Bayesian engine is a little mis-trained. You can see this by looking for the markup messages in the headers. {^_^} Joanne -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 15:56 -0400, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:

On July Monday 17 2006 1:02 am, Mike McMullin wrote in an electronic and somewhat quixotic manner:

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On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 17:37 -0700, Curtis Rey wrote:

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On Sun July 16 2006 17:09, ERIC ALLAN wrote:

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unsubscribe <snip> To stop subscription for this address, mail: "

In your case that would be eallan4@verizon.net

Curtis, send this directly to him, not the list which he probably has stopped reading.

I've tried that in the past only to get rude messages that my email address has been turned over to some sort of spam police . I repeat my call for a minimal reading comprehension test as part of activation of accounts.

I'd bet me subscription that he's gonna write back calling any further messages from the list garbage or some such. It makes sense to bypass the list and send it directly to the poster, where it stands an actual chance of being read. Just my two cents. Mike -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

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On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 05:09:19PM -0700, ERIC ALLAN wrote:

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unsubscribe

I have unsubscribed him.

Ciao, M

Thank you Marcus. :D - -- Spammers Beware: Tresspassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! Warning: Individuals throwing objects at the crocodiles will be asked to retrieve them! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEvUDf7CQBg4DqqCwRAtOSAKC6RX6/SZLg4d3sqU8dSDtYFUvRygCgxbRB IIUzLI/ADbgS/IpW8ioGNp4= =rmg9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com