[opensuse] Is Baloo at end of life already?

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John Andersen

4 Mar 2015 4 Mar '15

23:00

After many months of KDE updates, as well as Yast updates I've noticed zero new functionality in Baloo, and no further integration with Yast. Baloo seems to work, its fast, doesn't seem to use and resources to speak of. But half the functionality is missing. However: But 1) configuration is via some totally undocumented files deep within /home/<user>/.kde4/share/config. 2) No integration with Yast 3) No usable search facility except from within Dolphin, and that is limited. 4) No integration of tags in the search (what the hell are tags in Dolphin actually good for?) 5) No standalone search facility uses Baloo It seems like the package, and the entire concept of a built-in-search is abandoned. I find Baloo search really useful for finding things in a mountain of source code, not to mention documents etc. But the search capability is extremely limited. It won't search on metadata, tags, comments, or do any complex searches. If Baloo is going nowhere, I'm in the market for a good full text indexing system, which can index any mounted files. Any suggestion? -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Bob Williams

4 Mar 4 Mar

23:17

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If Baloo is going nowhere, I'm in the market for a good full text indexing system, which can index any mounted files. Any suggestion?

Recoll http://software.opensuse.org/package/recoll - -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.16.7-7-desktop Distro: openSUSE 13.2 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.3 Uptime: 06:00am up 7:55, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.05, 0.06 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlT3kocACgkQ0Sr7eZJrmU64fACfTEw8K9BeytVQW5XqPcrjKquP 72IAn0asCQ7GA+IvO3D+7eKmggikZ/Dn =Djt9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

23:25

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/04/2015 03:17 PM, Bob Williams wrote:

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On 04/03/15 23:00, John Andersen wrote:

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If Baloo is going nowhere, I'm in the market for a good full text indexing system, which can index any mounted files. Any suggestion?

Recoll http://software.opensuse.org/package/recoll

It says no database in the features. That means a disk crawl for even the simplest searches, right? Do you actually use this Bob? - -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlT3lFwACgkQv7M3G5+2DLJ2qgCgq8YeSV+jb2w2PMjjCNcSufU7 SrcAoJH/7S+pzfQLHieFMkscFjg6jaKd =37f+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Doug

23:41

On 03/04/2015 06:25 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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On 03/04/2015 03:17 PM, Bob Williams wrote:

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On 04/03/15 23:00, John Andersen wrote:

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If Baloo is going nowhere, I'm in the market for a good full text indexing system, which can index any mounted files. Any suggestion?

Recoll http://software.opensuse.org/package/recoll

It says no database in the features. That means a disk crawl for even the simplest searches, right?

Do you actually use this Bob?

It takes a minute or two to index it, but it searches in jig time. One could write a cron file to refresh it at some time when you're sleeping. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

23:42

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/15 23:25, John Andersen wrote:

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On 03/04/2015 03:17 PM, Bob Williams wrote:

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On 04/03/15 23:00, John Andersen wrote:

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If Baloo is going nowhere, I'm in the market for a good full text indexing system, which can index any mounted files. Any suggestion?

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Recoll http://software.opensuse.org/package/recoll

It says no database in the features. That means a disk crawl for even the simplest searches, right?

Do you actually use this Bob?

Not currently (since baloo got its act together), but I did a couple of years ago. Initial indexing takes time, but once that's done it's acceptably fast. It indexes file contents as well as names. I'm not sure about its internal workings. As I said, I stopped using it when baloo came along, not because of any failing in recoll, but because I'd rather use tools supplied with the distro before third party applications, if they're equivalent. I only need desktop searches from time to time. Bob - -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.16.7-7-desktop Distro: openSUSE 13.2 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.3 Uptime: 06:00am up 7:55, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.05, 0.06 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlT3mHcACgkQ0Sr7eZJrmU5fCgCgjkuDR3cjn7tjsQEsa1h+WpJT vHQAn1sKbF1nTHMvQ8qDIxe49RXmUiaU =tsXI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Todd Rme

5 Mar 5 Mar

08:59

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:00 AM, John Andersen wrote:

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After many months of KDE updates, as well as Yast updates I've noticed zero new functionality in Baloo, and no further integration with Yast.

What integration with Yast would you expect? Further, Yast is an openSUSE-specific tool, it has nothing to do with the progress of the upstream Baloo project.

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Baloo seems to work, its fast, doesn't seem to use and resources to speak of. But half the functionality is missing.

I think a lot of the effort is going into the Frameworks 5 porting effort. We probably won't see much change in baloo in the KDE Sc 4.x line. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

18:27

On 03/05/2015 12:59 AM, Todd Rme wrote:

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On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:00 AM, John Andersen wrote:

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After many months of KDE updates, as well as Yast updates I've noticed zero new functionality in Baloo, and no further integration with Yast.

What integration with Yast would you expect? Further, Yast is an openSUSE-specific tool, it has nothing to do with the progress of the upstream Baloo project.

Yeah, everybody knows Yast is opensuse specific. That's exactly why I posted in the OpenSuse list, and not the KDE list. If there is no facility to manage the settings and configuration in Yast, and nothing in KDE, then Baloo becomes a take it or leave it package. I see little commitment to Baloo on the part of KDE, and even less commitment on the part of opensuse (as you might expect). Baloo totally lacks any competent search/retrieval capabilities. Kfind simply ignores it. Dolphin makes minimal use of it. And the users mostly just turn off Baloo as a default. If KDE isn't interested int Baloo any more, maybe Opensuse would be better off to deprecate Baloo and package something that integrates better with Gnome as well as KDE, AND which has an active development team, but most of all, has actual plans to provide a usable search/retrieval component. Maybe something like recoll should be given top reommendations.

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Baloo seems to work, its fast, doesn't seem to use and resources to speak of. But half the functionality is missing.

I think a lot of the effort is going into the Frameworks 5 porting effort. We probably won't see much change in baloo in the KDE Sc 4.x line.

So are you suggesting there MIGHT be more work on Baloo in Framework 5? Because the change log certainly doesn't reflect that. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Rodney Baker

22:34

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 10:27:32 John Andersen wrote:

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On 03/05/2015 12:59 AM, Todd Rme wrote:

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On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:00 AM, John Andersen wrote:

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After many months of KDE updates, as well as Yast updates I've noticed zero new functionality in Baloo, and no further integration with Yast.

What integration with Yast would you expect? Further, Yast is an openSUSE-specific tool, it has nothing to do with the progress of the upstream Baloo project.

Yeah, everybody knows Yast is opensuse specific. That's exactly why I posted in the OpenSuse list, and not the KDE list. If there is no facility to manage the settings and configuration in Yast, and nothing in KDE, then Baloo becomes a take it or leave it package. I see little commitment to Baloo on the part of KDE, and even less commitment on the part of opensuse (as you might expect).

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Baloo totally lacks any competent search/retrieval capabilities. Kfind simply ignores it. Dolphin makes minimal use of it. And the users mostly just turn off Baloo as a default. [...]

Have you tried milou? That is "a dedicated search application built on top of baloo." -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

23:32

On March 5, 2015 2:34:26 PM PST, Rodney Baker wrote:

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On 03/05/2015 12:59 AM, Todd Rme wrote:

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On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:00 AM, John Andersen wrote:

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After many months of KDE updates, as well as Yast updates I've noticed zero new functionality in Baloo, and no further integration with Yast.

What integration with Yast would you expect? Further, Yast is an openSUSE-specific tool, it has nothing to do with the progress of

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upstream Baloo project.

Yeah, everybody knows Yast is opensuse specific. That's exactly why I posted in the OpenSuse list, and not the KDE

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 10:27:32 John Andersen wrote: the list.

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If there is no facility to manage the settings and configuration in Yast, and nothing in KDE, then Baloo becomes a take it or leave it package. I see little commitment to Baloo on the part of KDE, and even less commitment on the part of opensuse (as you might expect).

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Baloo totally lacks any competent search/retrieval capabilities. Kfind simply ignores it. Dolphin makes minimal use of it. And the users mostly just turn off Baloo as a default. [...]

Have you tried milou? That is "a dedicated search application built on top of baloo."

Yes. Its worse than useless. The search (binoculars) built in into Dolphin is 100 times better. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Rodney Baker

23:56

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 15:32:58 John Andersen wrote:

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Have you tried milou? That is "a dedicated search application built on top of baloo."

Yes. Its worse than useless.

The search (binoculars) built in into Dolphin is 100 times better.

Fair enough. I've not tried it myself either. Dolphin has always done enough to find what I need. But then, I use desktop search maybe once every couple of months. Desktop search is no substitute for have a decent filing system (as distinct from file system) in the first place. I treat my folders like a filing cabinet - everything in its place. (Well, almost). That way searching takes a lot less time. Sometimes. :) I still lose files occassionally, and that's where the search comes in handy. Did you ever try the Baloo KCM (KDE Control Module, integrates with KDE's "Configure Desktop") that was in KDE Unstable? That had more config options than the default KCM, but it seems development on that has stalled, too. It's still at version 4.12 and I'm no sure its even still in the repo. :( -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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