Dear all, is there any other good development environment besides KDevelopment ??? Thanks, Martin
is there any other good development environment besides KDevelopment ???
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Glade is great for developing GTK/Gnome apps... If the original poster has in mind the same thing I do, then I think
James Ogley wrote: this isn't it. I tried Glade and found it to be very limited. The whole GTK concept seems rather difficult and restrictive to me. Having to use containers for controls doesn't seem to give much freedom. Borlad is working on the Kylix project that sounds pretty good to me but I still don't know much about it except that it isn't released yet. Anyway, isn't Glade just for developing GUI dialogs rather than for program developement? If this is the case, Glade isn't an alternate for Kdevelop but instead is a companion tool that can be used with Kdevelop. The only thing I know about Borland's Kylix is what I am reading at http://www.borland.com/kylix/ I hope this helps. Damon Register
From what I gather its a reallly a clone of there delphi product for linux. Its being blled as a c++/delphi compiler/ide with vxl and some sort of common linux gui lib that will unify the c++/delph/windows/linux gui end of it. You should be able to even port you existing delphi stuff by some simple changes and re compiling it but donet hold me to that. Its a real visualy based component based gui ide thats very similar to visual basic but built on pascal and its newer object orientated visual pascal thats used in delphi. A stricly typed language with a realy robust visual component lib and roaring third party of cvisual componennts that run the whole gammet. Knocks tha pants of of vb and used a real programming languuage as opesd to basic/visualbasic.
Ie you select several components and drop them on a form/window than hook them all up vial the propery editer. Then you can compile/test it. You can even go backi and edit the actual source code , change it th3en go back and forth beetween the gui ide and actual editing of the code. Realy back anbd forth betwween the two. the visual toold note all the changes made while editing and respond to them just the same as if you sed the visual tools to do them. Not like the old tools wherenonce you touched the source code you could never return to the gui tools. Its a real slick RAD product that is real prouductive even to neofight new / begioner programers. I used delphi and REALY miss the product on linux. I looked into there jbuilder/java ide wich is real similar but have foun that its slow and need a lot of horse power to run the ide even on linux. I am still using an amd K6 350 w 256 meg ram and occasioanly use my P266 with 96 meg ram , and jbuilder is slow and slugish on the amd K^ and real bitch to use on the portable. runs real slowwww on that to piont that its almost unusabale unless you realy need to do the work off sight. I dont use it ofton and have since been looking at python. See my previuos post on pyhton if your interested in that. At 10:19 AM 1/4/2001 -0500, Damon Register wrote:
Glade is great for developing GTK/Gnome apps... If the original poster has in mind the same thing I do, then I think
James Ogley wrote: this isn't it. I tried Glade and found it to be very limited. The whole GTK concept seems rather difficult and restrictive to me. Having to use containers for controls doesn't seem to give much freedom. Borlad is working on the Kylix project that sounds pretty good to me but I still don't know much about it except that it isn't released yet.
Anyway, isn't Glade just for developing GUI dialogs rather than for program developement? If this is the case, Glade isn't an alternate for Kdevelop but instead is a companion tool that can be used with Kdevelop.
The only thing I know about Borland's Kylix is what I am reading at http://www.borland.com/kylix/ I hope this helps.
Damon Register
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I like InfoDock (an Xemacs extension). Emacs clones and a terminal
emulator work for me and they are portable. I've used them on Win95,
Linux, Solaris, and AIX for years and I don't have to learn a new IDE
for a new platform or a new compiler.
Jeffrey
Quoting Martin Mielke
Dear all,
is there any other good development environment besides KDevelopment ???
Thanks,
Martin
From: Martin Mielke [mailto:martinm@people-com.com]
Hi,
is there any other good development environment besides KDevelopment ???
Wait a month and use Kylix (Delphi/C++Builder), it is identical to the Windows versions, but with support for Linux 'things' like Apache modules etc.. AFAIK the 'command line' compiler, and class libraries will be free, but the IDE, Debugger and other 'visual' stuff will cost around the same as the Windows versions. Cheers Phil
Wait a month and use Kylix (Delphi/C++Builder), it is identical to the Windows versions, but with support for Linux 'things' like Apache modules etc..
More than I month I suspect. They've been promising this for ages now and it's still vapourware. I've a feeling this one arrive eventually, but I wouldn't bank on anytime soon!
AFAIK the 'command line' compiler, and class libraries will be free, but the IDE, Debugger and other 'visual' stuff will cost around the same as the Windows versions.
Which is how much? And wasn't there something in the news recently about "free for free-software-development" use?
From: fountai@hursley.ibm.com
Hi,
Wait a month and use Kylix (Delphi/C++Builder)
More than I month I suspect. They've been promising this for ages now and it's still vapourware. I've a feeling this one arrive eventually, but I wouldn't bank on anytime soon!
The 'official' line is Q1 2001, with the normal Borland disclaimer of 'When its ready' (They got stung by releasing a version of Delphi to suit 'financial' time frames, rather than development ones). As the beta testers are under NDA, nobody 'public' knows the real state of it, but I have it on good authority (<g>) that it is all but finished.
AFAIK the 'command line' compiler, and class libraries will be free, but the IDE, Debugger and other 'visual' stuff will cost around the same as the Windows versions.
Which is how much?
In UKP ... Standard Version - ?90 Professional Version - ?250 (Standard + Database Development Libraries); Enterprise Version - ?1700 (Professional + Web Development + Multi tier Development (CORBA etc.))
And wasn't there something in the news recently about "free for free-software-development" use?
I think this has been a real 'issue' for Borland, as they are a commercial company, and have spent 80+ man-years developing Kylix, and obviously need to make some money somewhere. They have always said that Kylix will be able to be used to develop 'free' software, and AFAIK they plan to 'open source' some of the class libraries, and make the rest of them, together with the complier 'free' to download, much like they have done with there 'Windows' C++ compiler and class libraries. This will mean that any Kylix project can be compiled and built at 'no cost', but to develop the software, you will have to use your favourite 'text editor' or purchase the IDE. Cheers Phil
This is one prooduct that I will pay up to SU$300.00 for the pro version upgrade that has the standard database tools with it. I was shocked to see the current pricing of jbuilder pro version of jbuilder upgrade for US$450.00 that used to be for 275.00. thats just too steep considering all the ides that are out there for jave. It will be interesting how they do the "free" aspect of it.
Standard Version - ?90 Professional Version - ?250 (Standard + Database Development Libraries); Enterprise Version - ?1700 (Professional + Web Development + Multi tier Development (CORBA etc.))
And wasn't there something in the news recently about "free for free-software-development" use?
I think this has been a real 'issue' for Borland, as they are a commercial company, and have spent 80+ man-years developing Kylix, and obviously need to make some money somewhere. They have always said that Kylix will be able to be used to develop 'free' software, and AFAIK they plan to 'open source' some of the class libraries, and make the rest of them, together with the complier 'free' to download, much like they have done with there 'Windows' C++ compiler and class libraries. This will mean that any Kylix project can be compiled and built at 'no cost', but to develop the software, you will have to use your favourite 'text editor' or purchase the IDE.
Cheers
Phil
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More than I month I suspect. They've been promising this for ages now and it's still vapourware. I've a feeling this one arrive eventually, but I wouldn't bank on anytime soon!
AFAIK the 'command line' compiler, and class libraries will be free, but
Soon dereck , real soon maybee around june or so , listing are coming up and www.amazon.com showing they will be out in june I think. I know its been a real long wait , and meny of us are droolong for it like pavlovs dogs. the
IDE, Debugger and other 'visual' stuff will cost around the same as the Windows versions.
Which is how much?
And wasn't there something in the news recently about "free for free-software-development" use?
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From: Samy Elashmawy
Hi,
Kylix
Soon dereck , real soon maybee around june or so
End of March at the latest. They have committed to a Q1 Release, and AFAIK, it is 99% ready now. Cheers Phil Shrimpton (Team JEDI) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- JEDI Teams Coordinator www.delphi-jedi.org Registered Linux User #155621
You may want to look at python and some of the ides at www.pyhon.org , I also just got a realy good book on pyhton by allen gauld that is an expanded version of his on line tutorial. Its called learn to program using python , a tutorial for hobiest , self startes , ect.. Its 250 pages with sort concise chapters , a little over an inch thick , small enough to read on the subway or carry with you. If you want something meatier then Core Python is the way to go. THis one goes much more into deapth and is around 500 pages or so , about three inches thick. Its a very down to earth book on pththon that starts at the beginer level and works its way up to more advaced stuff. I opted for the shorter Goauld book ,as I wanted to ramp up quicky with it and like to take the book with me to read on the move. Core pyhton is much more detialed.
Wait a month and use Kylix (Delphi/C++Builder), it is identical to the Windows versions, but with support for Linux 'things' like Apache modules etc..
There are a bunch of kylix books slated to come out in may or june I think. I am realy interested in this as I was using delphi wich is a snap to throw components together and hook them up then tweak the code a bit.
AFAIK the 'command line' compiler, and class libraries will be free, but the IDE, Debugger and other 'visual' stuff will cost around the same as the Windows versions.
Cheers
Phil
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Hi If you are looking at gui ide/rad then i suggest u look at VDKBuilder which is a very good C++ based env. There is supposed to be something called magic (magic-sw.com) but it is not free (abt $300).VDK builder is GPL'd and free, and is hosted on sourceforge( i forget the exact url). cheers cheedu
At 10:01 AM 1/10/2001 -0800, Sridhar wrote:
Hi If you are looking at gui ide/rad then i suggest u look at VDKBuilder which is a very good C++ based env. There is supposed to be something called magic (magic-sw.com) but it is not free (abt $300).VDK builder is GPL'd and free, and is hosted on sourceforge( i forget the exact url).
I decided agenst magic as it was one of the fring languages and not mainstream enogh , as well as it was quit pricy. I also tried out omnis and it is so so . Its languag is also not mainstream enough as well. It is however quit mature and suports clent server very well. It also had a weird dot notation scheam that was not easy to navigate or edit/modify as far as higher up objects were concerned. The languagebits self was not mainstream either and I felt it had a steep learning curve and I realy did not want to go to all the effort with this particular product. It was RAD for the simple flat file stuff , but any thing more you would have to get down and dirty in the source code to get any thing done , which brings me back to the learning curve and the stangeness of the language it is based on. Soooo , I am back to python for the time being , as it is simple , had dome realy nice list and dictionarys , hooks to postgress and sevveral realy well written book most notably Core pyhton and Alen Gaulds new book how to program python , shorter than core python but broken down into real concise chapters. seems like a fast ramp up. It also hashooks to TK and I thing GTK as well. Not as robust a visual componet enviorment as delphi but close. well close enough and general enough that I am willing to put some time into it. Other than that I am also waiting for Kylex to come out , and am almost sure to buy that when it does as its a real rad tool with a real language as weel as true components visual and handle data and sql as well.
cheers cheedu
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On Thursday 04 January 2001 08:49, Martin Mielke wrote:
Dear all,
is there any other good development environment besides KDevelopment ???
Qt-Designer. You already have it if you downloaded a QtFree library and compiled it, which is very easy to do.
Thanks,
Martin
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