[opensuse] booting to command line instead of desktop
i just installed the nvidia driver for my graphics card and rebooted. when i did, i was brought to the command line instead of the desktop. how do i get the system to load the desktop again and not take me to the command line? i'm new to opensuse and this problem, so i don't know how to recover. cheers, dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
i just installed the nvidia driver for my graphics card and rebooted. when i did, i was brought to the command line instead of the desktop. how do i get the system to load the desktop again and not take me to the command line? This is not really the answer to your question, but some background material on how
i'm new to opensuse and this problem, so i don't know how to recover.
cheers,
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:55, dwain
dwain skrev:
i just installed the nvidia driver for my graphics card and rebooted. when i did, i was brought to the command line instead of the desktop. how do i get the system to load the desktop again and not take me to the command line?
i'm new to opensuse and this problem, so i don't know how to recover.
cheers, dwain
-- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
First thing to try; from the login line, type your login name. You are then prompted for your password, type it in (it's ok, it doesn't echo to your screen). Once in, type startx this *should* start your new X session. If not, you have a config error somewhere. Others on the list are most likely more seasoned in ironing this out than I :-) If it works, goto YaST, System, Systemservice (I think, my PC is not english) and select "runlevel" to 5. -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 04:55 -0600, dwain wrote:
i just installed the nvidia driver for my graphics card and rebooted. when i did, i was brought to the command line instead of the desktop. how do i get the system to load the desktop again and not take me to the command line?
I'll assume that at some point you have had a running x-server and work from there. It would help to know how you installed the driver, was it from an RPM or using NVIDIA's installer software? While the version of SuSE shouldn't matter in this case, it can help in problem solving other issues in the future.
i'm new to opensuse and this problem, so i don't know how to recover.
We'll help, if we can get some info. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
dwain wrote:
i just installed the nvidia driver for my graphics card and rebooted. when i did, i was brought to the command line instead of the desktop. how do i get the system to load the desktop again and not take me to the command line?
i'm new to opensuse and this problem, so i don't know how to recover.
cheers, dwain
-- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
Dwain (here is the long version), At the command prompt, enter the root user name and password. First, as always, make a backup of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf so you know you have a safe copy of where you started out. # cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20081118 Now, if you just want to get back to a graphics screen quickly, you can see if you can use the original xorg.conf from your install to at least start kde or whatever you use. The file is usually saved as, curiously enough, xorg.conf.install. See if you have it: 07:28 arete~> l /etc/X11/xorg.conf.install -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4695 2008-11-14 14:05 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.install If not, look at what you do have: 07:34 arete~> l /etc/X11/xorg.* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4433 2008-11-15 02:40 /etc/X11/xorg.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4695 2008-11-14 14:05 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.install -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 36 2008-11-15 02:37 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.md5 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3930 2008-11-15 02:27 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nv.working -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3930 2008-11-15 02:37 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.saxsave You probably won't have all of those, but you should have a few. If you want to continue getting the nvidia driver working, keep reading, if you just want to see if you can get back to your original install and you have xorg.conf.install, then: # cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.install /etc/X11/xorg.conf Before doing anything else, see what module it will try to load and then load it with modprobe: # grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf Driver "kbd" Driver "mouse" Driver "nvidia" Ignore the keyboard "kbd" and "mouse" and look at the last one. I am loading the nvidia driver. If you haven't changed video cards and are just trying to install the nvidia driver, then you should see either: Driver "fbdev" Driver "nv" Now just check to see if the module you have listed is loaded (example for the nvidia driver): # lsmod | grep nvidia nvidia 7823000 46 i2c_core 51744 1 nvidia If the driver you need isn't loaded, load it with modprobe (example for nvidia): # modprobe -v nvidia It will tell you if it succeeded or failed. Then just start the xserver to test your display: # startx This will start your desktop for root, but you will find out if it works. If all is well, you will be back to a desktop. Now just logout and you will be back at the command prompt. (You need to be here anyway) Now lets get the nvidia driver working for you. The quickest and simplest way is to grab a copy of an initial xorg.conf for nvidia from my site and copy it to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, then load the nvidia module and startx. The xorg.conf I have is safe, it's set for an lcd monitor at a vertical refresh 60Hz so your not going to over power your monitor. Grab a copy at: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/linux/nvidia/xorg.conf.nvidia.initial In the xorg.conf I have put modelines for a number of different resolutions. Just uncomment the one you want and comment out the rest. It is currently defaulted to 1024x768. Now, install the module and startx (you may need to remove your current module with 'rmmod modulename' like 'rmmod nv', then: # modprobe -v nvidia # startx You can then use Yast and sax2 from within your desktop to change the monitor and refresh, etc... If all else fails and you are still looking at the command prompt, then let's use sax2 to configure the xorg.conf for the nvidia driver. (sax2 has gotten a little senile lately, but it should still work) At the command prompt: # sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia Then just wait until sax2 configures the display. It may take a minute and the display might flash, but be patient. At the end you should be able to save the new settings, and have a working nvidia driver. If sax doesn't work, there are several options. you may need to modify your /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually. In any text editor (vi, joe, whatever) open the file and change the line "Driver" line in the "Device" section from whatever it presently is to "nvidia" like this: Section "Device" BoardName "Framebuffer Graphics" #Driver "nv" Driver "nvidia" Identifier "Device[0]" Screen 0 VendorName "VESA" EndSection You don't have to worry about BoardName or VendorName, they are just text fields. If your panicking because you don't know vi, no sweat, just do this (still as root): # vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf Once in vi, you can use the arrow keys to move around (or h,j,k,l, 0-zero, and $). Scroll down to your driver line and put the cursor on the line. (first we will always make sure we are in command mode) So press escape twice [ESC][ESC]. Then press the following: yy (this will yank the line into the buffer - aka copy it) $ or [end] (moves cursor to end of line - you may use arrow key) p (paste new line) k or [up] (up one line) 0 or [home] (that's zero - move to beginning of line i (you are now in insert mode - look lower left) # (type a # to comment original line out) [ESC][ESC] (get out of insert mode - and back to command mode) j or [down] (go down one line) $ or [end] (end of line) i (insert mode - use backspace key, to erase old module) then just type (type in "nvidia" for the new module name) [ESC][ESC] (the CYA command again to exit insert mode) if your satisfied with your work and it looks like my example above, then :wq (write and quit) ( in vi, if ever something doesn't work like you think it should [ESC][ESC] is your friend, then try again.) Now make sure you have the nvidia driver loaded and if not load it and give it a whirl: # lsmod | grep nvidia || modprobe -v nvidia # startx If you are still stuck after this, post again! Good luck. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 08:06:04 am David C. Rankin wrote: < snip much useful information >
if your satisfied with your work and it looks like my example above, then
:wq (write and quit)
And if things get messed up and you just want to get out without writing any changes [ESC][ESC] and then :q! (quit and I mean it!) -- Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin skrev:
dwain wrote:
i just installed the nvidia driver for my graphics card and rebooted. when i did, i was brought to the command line instead of the desktop.
...lots of cutaway... Hi David and list... - thanks a lot for your rather long and elaborated answer on this matter. I've taken the liberty to copy it to my personal knowledge base, it's a lifesaver, really. - One question though...one that reveals my endless lack of basic knowledge, sigh... In my present xorg.conf (and I've got Nvidia just fine) on my SuSE10.3 (DELL 17" laptop), I haven't got any modelines, the core section looks like this: ----------------------------------------- Section "Modes" Identifier "Modes[0]" EndSection Section "Screen" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1920x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1920x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1920x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1920x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection Device "Device[0]" Identifier "Screen[0]" Monitor "Monitor[0]" EndSection Section "Device" BoardName "Quadro FX 1500M" Driver "nvidia" Identifier "Device[0]" Screen 0 VendorName "NVidia" EndSection ---------------------------------------------- The original *install backup of my xorg.conf DOES have mode-lines, albeit only for 800x600 pixels. How come my system is at all working without these lines? -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 20:48, Verner Kjærsgaard
...lots of cutaway...
[...]
- One question though...one that reveals my endless lack of basic knowledge, sigh...
In my present xorg.conf (and I've got Nvidia just fine) on my SuSE10.3 (DELL 17" laptop), I haven't got any modelines, the core section looks like this:
[...]
The original *install backup of my xorg.conf DOES have mode-lines, albeit only for 800x600 pixels.
How come my system is at all working without these lines?
X has the ability to probe for some stuff and use the values from EDID. Take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what it is capable of. HTH ne... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Now accepting personal mail for GMail invites. Dan Quayle - "This President is going to lead us out of this recovery." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2008/11/18 21:48 (GMT+0100) Verner Kjærsgaard composed:
In my present xorg.conf (and I've got Nvidia just fine) on my SuSE10.3 (DELL 17" laptop), I haven't got any modelines, the core section looks like this: ... The original *install backup of my xorg.conf DOES have mode-lines, albeit only for 800x600 pixels.
How come my system is at all working without these lines?
In modern versions of Xorg the presence of modelines in xorg.conf is an unnecessary anachronism. -- "Love is not easily angered. Love does not demand its own way." 1 Corinthians 13:5 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
David C. Rankin skrev:
dwain wrote:
i just installed the nvidia driver for my graphics card and rebooted. when i did, i was brought to the command line instead of the desktop.
...lots of cutaway...
Hi David and list...
- thanks a lot for your rather long and elaborated answer on this matter. I've taken the liberty to copy it to my personal knowledge base, it's a lifesaver, really.
- One question though...one that reveals my endless lack of basic knowledge, sigh...
In my present xorg.conf (and I've got Nvidia just fine) on my SuSE10.3 (DELL 17" laptop), I haven't got any modelines, the core section looks like this:
----------------------------------------- Section "Modes" Identifier "Modes[0]" EndSection
How come my system is at all working without these lines?
Verner Felix is right, you don't need the modelines anymore. However since I don't know what hardware this xorg.conf might me run on, I intentionally put them in there setting the Vertical refresh to 60Hz to make sure it doesn't try to drive an older monitor beyond it limits in case the monitor doesn't report its correct EDD information (what it's capable of) back to the driver. Don't worry in your case, you don't need it! -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:06 AM, David C. Rankin
Dwain (here is the long version),
thanks for the lengthy reply. as one poster noted i should have been in runlevel 3 when i installed the driver. i was in runlevel 5, so i guess i screwed up royally. my question is, if i do a startx, go to the console, switch to runlevel 3 and reinstall the driver, will it correct my error and boot into the kde desktop? regards, dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* dwain
thanks for the lengthy reply. as one poster noted i should have been in runlevel 3 when i installed the driver. i was in runlevel 5, so i guess i screwed up royally.
recovery *is* possible :^)
my question is, if i do a startx,
no reason as your X is bonkers at the present and "startx" litterally means to *start* X.
go to the console, switch to runlevel 3 and reinstall the driver, will it correct my error and boot into the kde desktop?
yes/maybe/probably, but more information is necessary to be sure. How did you install which nvidia driver? Usually when trying to solve a problem, you would announce the openSUSE version and architecture, and detail the steps that caused your problem and any particular hardware that might be interesting, such as the video card. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 10:49:55 pm Patrick Shanahan wrote: ...
yes/maybe/probably, but more information is necessary to be sure.
How did you install which nvidia driver?
Usually when trying to solve a problem, you would announce the openSUSE version and architecture, and detail the steps that caused your problem and any particular hardware that might be interesting, such as the video card.
Plus output of command: hwinfo --gfxcard and Xorg start log: /var/log/Xorg.0.log That should give us a clue what is going on and what to do, or ask next. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Patrick Shanahan
go to the console, switch to runlevel 3 and reinstall the driver, will it correct my error and boot into the kde desktop?
yes/maybe/probably, but more information is necessary to be sure.
How did you install which nvidia driver?
i did the one-click install on the opensuse site from the new driver link since i didn't find my geforce fx 5200 pci on the legacy card list.
Usually when trying to solve a problem, you would announce the openSUSE version and architecture, and detail the steps that caused your problem and any particular hardware that might be interesting, such as the video card.
i am using opensuse 11.0, with updates, so i think the kernel is 0.18. i was in runlevel 5 when i did the update. the graphics were fine after the update. i then ran yast2 and and ran sax2 to check things out. before the update the 3d accelerator was disabled and after the update it was checked. i saved the settings (don't know why), exited yast2 and rebooted the machine. everything was going along fine until on loading the os the screen went black and then the opensuse logo along with the loading indicator line showed through the black screen and then i ended up at the command prompt. i hope this helps. i knew i should have gone into the the terminal and run init 3 before the update. why i didn't do it i don't know. i guess i thought it would be ok to do it from where i was. at least after the update it didn't look like i did any harm. cheers, dwain
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dwain wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Patrick Shanahan
wrote: go to the console, switch to runlevel 3 and reinstall the driver, will it correct my error and boot into the kde desktop?
yes/maybe/probably, but more information is necessary to be sure.
How did you install which nvidia driver?
i did the one-click install on the opensuse site from the new driver link since i didn't find my geforce fx 5200 pci on the legacy card list.
Usually when trying to solve a problem, you would announce the openSUSE version and architecture, and detail the steps that caused your problem and any particular hardware that might be interesting, such as the video card.
i am using opensuse 11.0, with updates, so i think the kernel is 0.18. i was in runlevel 5 when i did the update. the graphics were fine after the update. i then ran yast2 and and ran sax2 to check things out. Once you have installed an nvidia driver, don't alter video settings with sax2, use, in kde anyway, menu > system > configuration > nvidia settings. IIRC you can init to runlevel 3 and run nvidia-xconfig and that may start x working again, otherwise the runlevel 3 sax2 -r option given to you earlier should get you back to square one, then repeat your one click install and don't use sax afterwards. Regards Dave P
before the update the 3d accelerator was disabled and after the update it was checked. i saved the settings (don't know why), exited yast2 and rebooted the machine. everything was going along fine until on loading the os the screen went black and then the opensuse logo along with the loading indicator line showed through the black screen and then i ended up at the command prompt.
i hope this helps. i knew i should have gone into the the terminal and run init 3 before the update. why i didn't do it i don't know. i guess i thought it would be ok to do it from where i was. at least after the update it didn't look like i did any harm.
cheers, dwain
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On Wednesday 19 November 2008, dwain wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:06 AM, David C. Rankin
wrote: Dwain (here is the long version),
thanks for the lengthy reply. as one poster noted i should have been in runlevel 3 when i installed the driver. i was in runlevel 5, so i guess i screwed up royally.
my question is, if i do a startx, go to the console, switch to runlevel 3 and reinstall the driver, will it correct my error and boot into the kde desktop?
regards, dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
The simple way is Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a text screen login as root "init 3" graphics setup commands ......... "init 5" that should put you back at the login for youe KDE or whatever else you use . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 19 November 2008 04:16:18 am dwain wrote:
i did the one-click install on the opensuse site from the new driver link since i didn't find my geforce fx 5200 pci on the legacy card list.
It is legacy. http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html The latest driver for FX 5200 is 173.14.15 in: 32 bit ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.15 64 bit ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/173.14.15 I usually download the last (biggest) file in the list. For 64 bit it would be NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.15-pkg2.run The rest is on http://en.opensuse.org/Nvidia#The_hard_way Don't forget that you can have GUI using Failsafe boot option. It is the same GUI that was used for installation so it will work. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Rajko M.
Don't forget that you can have GUI using Failsafe boot option. It is the same GUI that was used for installation so it will work.
thanks for the info. would it hurt to do the 1-click install of the legacy over the driver i have installed? also, i have reinstalled 11.0 after trying to fix x and i got a boot load error asking for a system disk. now x won't start and i keep getting pushed to the command line. when i did startx from init 3 it said that x wasn't supported and there was no xconf. this is from the 11.0 dvd. i also tried a fresh install from the live cd and the kernel doesn't load and i hang at the grub line. i'm pretty frustrated about all this. i don't know if i fried my hardware (graphics card) when i installed the new driver and then saved it to sax-2, but at this writing i can't use 11.0 at all except from the command line and then with an install from the dvd. i'll try installing 11.0 later today and see what happens and also try the failsafe mode. cheers, dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
dwain wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Rajko M.
wrote: Don't forget that you can have GUI using Failsafe boot option. It is the same GUI that was used for installation so it will work.
thanks for the info. would it hurt to do the 1-click install of the legacy over the driver i have installed?
also, i have reinstalled 11.0 after trying to fix x and i got a boot load error asking for a system disk. now x won't start and i keep getting pushed to the command line. when i did startx from init 3 it said that x wasn't supported and there was no xconf. this is from the 11.0 dvd. i also tried a fresh install from the live cd and the kernel doesn't load and i hang at the grub line.
i'm pretty frustrated about all this. i don't know if i fried my hardware (graphics card) when i installed the new driver and then saved it to sax-2, but at this writing i can't use 11.0 at all except from the command line and then with an install from the dvd.
i'll try installing 11.0 later today and see what happens and also try the failsafe mode.
cheers, dwain
No, should be fine... It will just replace the driver (kernel module) that is giving you problems. Both current and legacy modules will be named nvidia.ko, so it should just overwrite the kernel module. At this point, couldn't hurt! -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
dwain wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Rajko M.
wrote: Don't forget that you can have GUI using Failsafe boot option. It is the same GUI that was used for installation so it will work.
thanks for the info. would it hurt to do the 1-click install of the legacy over the driver i have installed?
also, i have reinstalled 11.0 after trying to fix x and i got a boot load error asking for a system disk. now x won't start and i keep getting pushed to the command line. when i did startx from init 3 it said that x wasn't supported and there was no xconf. this is from the 11.0 dvd. i also tried a fresh install from the live cd and the kernel doesn't load and i hang at the grub line.
i'm pretty frustrated about all this. i don't know if i fried my hardware (graphics card) when i installed the new driver and then saved it to sax-2, but at this writing i can't use 11.0 at all except from the command line and then with an install from the dvd.
Dwain, Don't worry, frustration is a short lived thing. After you get used to the driver swapping, it only takes a minute or two to do. And, for the short lived part, thanks to Stefan Dirsch, it will be fixed in 11.1: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445549 Keep the faith! -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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If your panicking because you don't know vi, no sweat, just do this (still as root):
# vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
For a novice, it is far easier to use "joe". It is included by default on all installs, even on the rescue disk - and has online help :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkmAz8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UrwgCfbyRj4Kvm7htN5VYZUwhHQBYa cegAn1uuVNsv7Gtyc5l0JgY6JqTApUcx =j2N0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday, 2008-11-18 at 09:06 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
...
If your panicking because you don't know vi, no sweat, just do this (still as root):
# vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
For a novice, it is far easier to use "joe". It is included by default on all installs, even on the rescue disk - and has online help :-)
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
I like them both. As long as I have 'ctrl+k h' in joe and as long as I have :help *and* remember that [esc][esc] gets me back to command mode, I'm good to go in either. I used to think vi was the most cryptic beast imaginable, but after using it a little and just remembering 'i' to get to insert mode [ins] to toggle between insert and overwrite mode, and remembering [esc][esc] to get out of each, I began to like it. Where else do you get to do :set nu, :12,18/^/# / and :12,18/# // to get line number see you need to comment lines 12-18 and then uncommenting the lines again in 3 short commands? If you want to look at a truly cryptic beast --> look at emacs -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David C. Rankin wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday, 2008-11-18 at 09:06 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
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If your panicking because you don't know vi, no sweat, just do this (still as root): # vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
For a novice, it is far easier to use "joe". It is included by default on all installs, even on the rescue disk - and has online help :-)
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
I like them both. As long as I have 'ctrl+k h' in joe and as long as I have :help *and* remember that [esc][esc] gets me back to command mode, I'm good to go in either.
I used to think vi was the most cryptic beast imaginable, but after using it a little and just remembering 'i' to get to insert mode [ins] to toggle between insert and overwrite mode, and remembering [esc][esc] to get out of each, I began to like it. Where else do you get to do :set nu, :12,18/^/# / and :12,18/# // to get line number see you need to comment lines 12-18 and then uncommenting the lines again in 3 short commands?
If you want to look at a truly cryptic beast --> look at emacs
Hmm... trying to start editor wars eh! :-) Personally, as someone who has done a little programming I tend to prefer pico over joe for basic text editing (but I would recommend either before vi), and nowadays emacs for any serious code hacking that I cannot do in eclipse (which is basically at the moment mainly Bash and I would suspect someone somewhere has a bash plugin :-) ). Emacs has a lot more features than vi and is much better suited as a programmers editor, and as such with such beauties as edlin and SOS should be firmly consigned to the dustbin of history. :-) I have used emacs in various guises under DOS,Windows, and *NIX (and have vague memories of an IBM/VM and a VAX VMS version). Once you have learnt the basics for one you can use it on all platforms... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkmdZgACgkQasN0sSnLmgLtCgCfVXJY3iFuyY8PR46o3tAu4fd6 F1UAoNU3V+6Qjz0pHHJOGLeV5TScjqJq =sfpc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
G T Smith wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday, 2008-11-18 at 09:06 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
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If your panicking because you don't know vi, no sweat, just do this (still as root): # vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
For a novice, it is far easier to use "joe". It is included by default on all installs, even on the rescue disk - and has online help :-)
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
I like them both. As long as I have 'ctrl+k h' in joe and as long as I have :help *and* remember that [esc][esc] gets me back to command mode, I'm good to go in either.
I used to think vi was the most cryptic beast imaginable, but after using it a little and just remembering 'i' to get to insert mode [ins] to toggle between insert and overwrite mode, and remembering [esc][esc] to get out of each, I began to like it. Where else do you get to do :set nu, :12,18/^/# / and :12,18/# // to get line number see you need to comment lines 12-18 and then uncommenting the lines again in 3 short commands?
If you want to look at a truly cryptic beast --> look at emacs
Hmm... trying to start editor wars eh! :-)
Personally, as someone who has done a little programming I tend to prefer pico over joe for basic text editing (but I would recommend either before vi), and nowadays emacs for any serious code hacking that I cannot do in eclipse (which is basically at the moment mainly Bash and I would suspect someone somewhere has a bash plugin :-) ). Emacs has a lot more features than vi and is much better suited as a programmers editor, and as such with such beauties as edlin and SOS should be firmly consigned to the dustbin of history. :-)
I have used emacs in various guises under DOS,Windows, and *NIX (and have vague memories of an IBM/VM and a VAX VMS version). Once you have learnt the basics for one you can use it on all platforms...
No, no -- no editor wars. In my quest to learn this thing called Linux, I have not yet got to emacs. I stumbled through mailx which led me to a brief encounter with emacs from which I beat a hasty retreat to live to fight again another day. I have no doubt I'll love it -- once I have time to make friends with it ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2008-11-21 at 21:37 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote: Please, trim your quotes...
# vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
For a novice, it is far easier to use "joe". It is included by default on all installs, even on the rescue disk - and has online help :-)
If you want to look at a truly cryptic beast --> look at emacs
Personally, as someone who has done a little programming I tend to prefer pico over joe for basic text editing (but I would recommend
Not forgetting "mcedit", which is probably simpler for a text mode novice. I will not deny that vi is powerful... but it is rather cryptic for someone who has never even heard of it and has got to use it on a pinch to repair X. First time I used it I had to open another terminal to kill it: I had no idea how to exit. The impression was so bad that lasts to this day (and I do use it now and then). The important thing: must be easy on a first time user. Neither vi nor emacs fulfill that role. And remember that neither pico nor emacs (nor mcedit) are included in the rescue system, whereas joe is. And vi, of course. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkknyGoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VSZQCfeGOU62dfplJlVdV8sHYEgwog 6zQAoJXwQKLOc0hJGN6BSf5hLb+uPMGy =SGOo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Friday, 2008-11-21 at 21:37 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
Please, trim your quotes...
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
I know, By my count I've screwed that up 3 times tonight :-( -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 www.rankinlawfirm.com | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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