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SuSE flamed - Stop the Linux kernel madness

Sid Boyce

18 Jun 2004 18 Jun '04

02:53

The President of Opensound on SuSE's kernels, no responses so far, but I expect flaming fur to fly. As I've posted here on a few occasions, the first thing I do after a SuSE install is to bin the kernel. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.2/0530.html Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer ===== LINUX ONLY USED HERE =====

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Patrick Shanahan

18 Jun 18 Jun

03:02

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* Sid Boyce [06-17-04 21:53]:

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The President of Opensound on SuSE's kernels, no responses so far, but I expect flaming fur to fly. As I've posted here on a few occasions, the first thing I do after a SuSE install is to bin the kernel. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.2/0530.html

next msg in thread: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.2/0532.html On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 05:09:17PM -0700, 4Front Technologies wrote:

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Files linux-2.6.5/arch/i386/boot98/setup.S and linux-2.6.5-7.75/arch/i386/boot98/setup.S differ

Ok. They edit setup.S. This doesn't change APIs.

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Files linux-2.6.5/arch/i386/defconfig and linux-2.6.5-7.75/arch/i386/defconfig differ

SuSE doesn't ship the default kernel .config. *SHOCK!* Neither does anyone else. .... and there's more.... -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

Anders Johansson

03:11

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On Friday 18 June 2004 05.02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Sid Boyce [06-17-04 21:53]:

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The President of Opensound on SuSE's kernels, no responses so far, but I expect flaming fur to fly. As I've posted here on a few occasions, the first thing I do after a SuSE install is to bin the kernel. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.2/0530.html

next msg in thread: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.2/0532.html

A little later in the thread there's a specific compile error. Turns out, 4front are populated by people who don't know anything about compiling kernels. And they ship kernel level drivers. Good one, but the laugh's on them

Sid Boyce

03:25

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Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Friday 18 June 2004 05.02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Sid Boyce [06-17-04 21:53]:

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The President of Opensound on SuSE's kernels, no responses so far, but I expect flaming fur to fly. As I've posted here on a few occasions, the first thing I do after a SuSE install is to bin the kernel. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.2/0530.html

next msg in thread: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.2/0532.html

A little later in the thread there's a specific compile error. Turns out, 4front are populated by people who don't know anything about compiling kernels. And they ship kernel level drivers. Good one, but the laugh's on them

Once alsa had been part of the 2.6 kernel, I stopped using OSS. They've been shipping OSS for many years, you'd think they would know all there is to know. Looks like Andrew Morton was the only cool head around, he first suggested it could be a kernel bug. I think the guy flipped after 7 years of having to mod the driver only for SuSE kernels. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer ===== LINUX ONLY USED HERE =====

Anders Johansson

03:28

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On Friday 18 June 2004 05.25, Sid Boyce wrote:

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Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Friday 18 June 2004 05.02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Sid Boyce [06-17-04 21:53]:

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The President of Opensound on SuSE's kernels, no responses so far, but I expect flaming fur to fly. As I've posted here on a few occasions, the first thing I do after a SuSE install is to bin the kernel. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.2/0530.html

next msg in thread: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.2/0532.html

A little later in the thread there's a specific compile error. Turns out, 4front are populated by people who don't know anything about compiling kernels. And they ship kernel level drivers. Good one, but the laugh's on them

Once alsa had been part of the 2.6 kernel, I stopped using OSS. They've been shipping OSS for many years, you'd think they would know all there is to know.

You would, wouldn't you. But the compile error he points to is pure newbie stuff

Thorsten Kukuk

06:50

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On Fri, Jun 18, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Friday 18 June 2004 05.25, Sid Boyce wrote:

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You would, wouldn't you. But the compile error he points to is pure newbie stuff

They claim to be kernel developers and use the /usr/include header files to compile kernel modules and not /lib/modules/<version>/source/... ? Nothing more to say ... Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/ kukuk@suse.de SuSE Linux AG Maxfeldstr. 5 D-90409 Nuernberg -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint = A368 676B 5E1B 3E46 CFCE 2D97 F8FD 4E23 56C6 FB4B

Sid Boyce

15:44

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Thorsten Kukuk wrote:

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On Fri, Jun 18, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Friday 18 June 2004 05.25, Sid Boyce wrote:

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You would, wouldn't you. But the compile error he points to is pure newbie stuff

They claim to be kernel developers and use the /usr/include header files to compile kernel modules and not /lib/modules/<version>/source/... ?

Nothing more to say ...

Thorsten

Naughty, the kernel developers moved away from using those headers ages ago, all for the better as they caused problems in some situations. The best idea was the common kernel which SuSE was developing on behalf of most of the distros, except RedHat and Mandrake who had religeous objections. I wish the distros would cooperate more as for one thing the kernel developers would have more certainty. In an article it mentioned that with the switch to Linux, the Hollywood studios were working together rather than competing and if the distros did the same on kernel issues, I'm sure no one would switch from their favourite distro. It's a nuisance, I've come across source RPMs for RedHat's latest that won't build on SuSE, though that's more of an applications issue, gone are the days when I could grab a .deb or .rpm from anywhere, install it and run it successfully. Regards Sid. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer ===== LINUX ONLY USED HERE =====

Sid Boyce

03:18

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Sid Boyce wrote:

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The President of Opensound on SuSE's kernels, no responses so far, but I expect flaming fur to fly. As I've posted here on a few occasions, the first thing I do after a SuSE install is to bin the kernel. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.2/0530.html Regards Sid.

So far 16 flames (some white hot) in the direction of Opensound by kernel developers. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer ===== LINUX ONLY USED HERE =====

Bruce Marshall

12:33

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On Thursday 17 June 2004 10:53 pm, Sid Boyce wrote:

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The President of Opensound on SuSE's kernels, no responses so far, but I expect flaming fur to fly. As I've posted here on a few occasions, the first thing I do after a SuSE install is to bin the kernel.

"bin the kernel"?? Is that English slang for 'stuff it'? If so, I do the same thing.... (currently running 2.6.7 on 9.0 and 9.1)

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http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.2/0530.html Regards Sid.

-- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer ===== LINUX ONLY USED HERE =====

-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 06/18/04 08:32 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism -- to steal from many ÿ is research."

Gerhard den Hollander

12:51

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* Bruce Marshall (Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 08:33:56AM -0400)

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The President of Opensound on SuSE's kernels, no responses so far, but I expect flaming fur to fly. As I've posted here on a few occasions, the first thing I do after a SuSE install is to bin the kernel.

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"bin the kernel"?? Is that English slang for 'stuff it'?

bin as in garbage bin as in trash can

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If so, I do the same thing....

I don't. I liek the fact that SuSe's kernel supports much moe hardware then the kernel.org kernel. SuSE 9.0 was (for a long time) the only distro that worked out of the box on a large variety of Dell laptops. I have not yet encountered any software that failed to work with suses kernel . In fact, kdebluetooth caould be compiled and run on a suse 9 system without the need of having to go out and imply custom patches to standard kernels ;) Of course, the 4front problem should be fixed (and will liekly be fixed soon ;) ) Currently listening to: cvb20040318t04 Gerhard, == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O Also by the time I'm 60, I want to get better at the art of living. =`\<, And still be riding an acoustic motorbike. (=)/(=) -- not exactly Mark Knopfler

Jim Sabatke

13:12

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Gerhard den Hollander wrote:

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I don't. I liek the fact that SuSe's kernel supports much moe hardware then the kernel.org kernel.

SuSE 9.0 was (for a long time) the only distro that worked out of the box on a large variety of Dell laptops.

I have not yet encountered any software that failed to work with suses kernel . In fact, kdebluetooth caould be compiled and run on a suse 9 system without the need of having to go out and imply custom patches to standard kernels ;)

I haven't been able to run GCL (GNU Common Lisp) since about 6.1. -- Jim Sabatke Hire Me!! - See my resume at http://my.execpc.com/~jsabatke Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. NOTE: Please do not email me any attachments with Microsoft extensions. They are deleted on my ISP's server before I ever see them, and no bounce message is sent.

Sid Boyce

15:28

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Gerhard den Hollander wrote:

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* Bruce Marshall (Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 08:33:56AM -0400)

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The President of Opensound on SuSE's kernels, no responses so far, but I expect flaming fur to fly. As I've posted here on a few occasions, the first thing I do after a SuSE install is to bin the kernel.

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"bin the kernel"?? Is that English slang for 'stuff it'?

bin as in garbage bin as in trash can

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If so, I do the same thing....

I don't. I liek the fact that SuSe's kernel supports much moe hardware then the kernel.org kernel.

SuSE 9.0 was (for a long time) the only distro that worked out of the box on a large variety of Dell laptops.

I have not yet encountered any software that failed to work with suses kernel . In fact, kdebluetooth caould be compiled and run on a suse 9 system without the need of having to go out and imply custom patches to standard kernels ;)

Of course, the 4front problem should be fixed (and will liekly be fixed soon ;) )

Currently listening to: cvb20040318t04

Gerhard, == The Acoustic Motorbiker ==

Yes, its bin as in dustbin, dump, etc. colloquially. With 9.1 I had problems with sound on both x86 and x86_64, the kernel.org kernels have been fine. The Acer 1501LCe laptop caused a few jitters when I booted 9.0 x86_64 for the first time, I had difficulties with the bcm5788 ethernet stalling (wrong driver loaded), sound, usb mouse, CD-RW/DVD and card slot not working until I installed the latest 2.6.x kernel.org kernel. I also had a few problems with the built-in components on the Asus A7N8X-E motherboard, all ironed out with kernel.org kernels. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer ===== LINUX ONLY USED HERE =====

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