Lotsa talk I see here about all sorts of X stuff, people saying that they're this and that close to switching to Linux as they're desktop environment, etc etc etc. And everyone using all these fancy window managers, like KDE, etc (guess cuz they're cool and easy -- *point* *click*) I feel like an outcast using OLVWM. But there's a reason: the box(es) (SuSE 6.2) are used for development. CGI stuff in C/C++ with mysql thrown in. OLVWM isn't a resource hog. What I'm curious about is what other SuSE users on this list use SuSE for. How many of yas out there use it for development of any sort in a commercial environment? In 9 out of 10 places I see Red Hat being used and that does evil things to my gut. I personally started off w/ Slackware in the early days (1994), tried Red Hat for literally a day, and have been with SuSE -- using it for development -- for nearly two years. What about you folks? This is an open-ended sort of topic; My intention is not to start a distro war. I'm simply curious to see what ppl are using _SuSE_ for. /* ** Keith Warno ** Make Us An Offer, Inc. ** Real-Time Online Haggling ** http://www.HaggleWare.com/ */ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
What I'm curious about is what other SuSE users on this list use SuSE for. How many of yas out there use it for development of any sort in a commercial environment? In 9 out of 10 places I see Red Hat being used and that does evil things to my gut. I personally started off w/ Slackware in the early days (1994), tried Red Hat for literally a day, and have been with SuSE -- using it for development -- for nearly two years.
I started using a version of Slackware that came with a book that was on a clearance shelf in 1997, but the version was several years out of date and so useless that I never really got past the installation stage. Eventually, I moved to SuSE (5.3/6.1/6.3) since the price was more stable and consistently lower than Red Hat, and I have read great things about X-Servers that SuSE puts more effort into. The email list happens to be the most friendliest group of all the other email lists that I skimmed before selecting SuSE. Currently, I have a dedicated file/network server box that I usally telnet into from my Windows machine, and very rarely ever use the KDE window manager when I do switch over the keyboard and monitor. I'm planning to add another hard drive to my Windows system to run a full blown Linux partition with all the bells-and-whistles and KDE. I usually crash my server if I try to do anything fancy with KDE, and I might switch to something different for my server that's more light weight. I'm using my server and the network to better understand network stuff and to further help my MSCE studies. Christopher Reimer -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Keith Warno wrote:
Lotsa talk I see here about all sorts of X stuff, people saying that they're this and that close to switching to Linux as they're desktop environment, etc etc etc.
And everyone using all these fancy window managers, like KDE, etc (guess cuz they're cool and easy -- *point* *click*)
I feel like an outcast using OLVWM. But there's a reason: the box(es) (SuSE 6.2) are used for development. CGI stuff in C/C++ with mysql thrown in. OLVWM isn't a resource hog.
What I'm curious about is what other SuSE users on this list use SuSE for. How many of yas out there use it for development of any sort in a commercial environment? In 9 out of 10 places I see Red Hat being used and that does evil things to my gut. I personally started off w/ Slackware in the early days (1994), tried Red Hat for literally a day, and have been with SuSE -- using it for development -- for nearly two years.
What about you folks? This is an open-ended sort of topic; My intention is not to start a distro war. I'm simply curious to see what ppl are using _SuSE_ for.
I started with RH 5.0 about two years ago, but as a newbie to Linux I didn't get the the software development stage. About 1 1/2 years ago I switched to SuSE 5.3 and have migrated up the version chain every since. I will continue to do so as long as SuSE maintains their high quality and excellent value, to say nothing of 1300+ pacakges that ride along with the distro. I jumped on board KDE when their first beta was released, about the time I switched to SuSE, and will remain with it because it is an excellent product. Concerning development in SuSE, I began using emacs, which includes version control, then switched to xemacs because I prefer to use KDE. But, I missed the nearly WYSIWYG GUI RAD evironment from my Lotus, PB, VB, FP and VFP days. I ran my own consulting business for 15 years and I could never have made a living using emacs to create affordable mom&pop GUI software. (I used AREV to create text based software) I have experiemented with about everything free that I could find. I tried TurboVision for about an hour. It is a clone of the old Borland text-based C tool and if you want to stay in the console mode it is about as good as anything. Then I started trying some of the more economical GUI RADS. I bought CodeForge but, perhaps, too soon. The development package was merely a GUI version of xemacs. The dialog design capability was just like emacs (and "Visual" C++ [an oxymoron if there ever was one], which I subscribed to for a year) and their method of configuring the makefile and their approach runing CVS were too error prone, inflexable and buggy. Through several upgrades they never added GUI dialog ability, so I dropped it. The same for CodeWarrior, and a couple other CodeXXXX packages. I never looked at any more packages unless that were a) economical and b) had GUI dialog capability. Over the years I've paid several thousands of dollars for commerical GUI RAD, and the higher the version number the more expensive they got and the more bloated, buggy and unusable they became. All followed M$s lead in their business model. I tried PGACCESS, which comes with PostgreSQL and is an ACCESS clone to some degree. It uses TCL and is 'nice', but too primative to use for professional development or for very large projects of any kind. The widgets were not visually appealing and lacked sophistication. Every widget was a 'grid' and a real grid wasn't in the tool kit. Sophistication? a) multiple and adjustable look and feels, adequate property settings dialogs (I hate writing long lines of dotted code to set height, width, font properties, tab orders, etc...) b) data-aware capability without writing tons of code for each widget (I know, that one requires a native backend or adjustibility to multiple backends), c) methods that can be accessed and modifed at the widget level and extended by adding UDFs to the widget or dialog form, d) event handling and code modification, e) supports objects and inheritance (this requirement eliminates VB and VB clones - cut&paste is not inheritance..:). I downloaded and tried TCL and Visual TCL. The latter was very nice, and had a good GUI tutorial, but the widgets were no better than TCL and lacked sophistication. GK+ improves a bit but it is still not there. TCL, V-TCL and GK+ make nice tools for making small SDI apps. I tried XForms, another 'nice' but limited tool, just like PGACCESS. I tried Python, which is a very nice OOP language and a great 'glue', (C without memory management woes), but when attached to the above mentioned widgets the sophistication problem comes along for the ride. Then KDevelop released beta 1.1... Heaven! KDevelop (I'll call it KD+) fits hand in glove to KDE. It is like using VB on Win95. (Sorry for the metaphor, but it is true...) KD+ uses C++ and all of it's OOP abilities. KD+ uses the same toolkit that is used to build KDE (hand in glove). KD+ uses 'Signals & Slots' (easy to learn and use, fast and reliable) for component communication, the same as KDE. The Dialog design tool lacks only a couple of things: a) group manipulation ability - select several controls and adjust, say, their position properties, fonts, colors, tab order, etc, at the same time, and b) a few more KDE controls, like true grids, a date control, I don't mean the datecontrol or datepicker, but a textbox with date formating built in. (getting picky ain't I?) There are a few more suggestions and nit-pics but hey, this is only beta 1.1. KD+ has got it all (almost) and will sweep the Linux world like a raging forest fire! My own plans are to use the xbase OOP code and create VFP 6 compatible data-aware widgets, a datawindow and a tcl box. VFP 6 carries too much WinXX baggage to want to mimick it exactly. That's why the DBC is such a dog. But, a group of xbase controls that allow design-time binding to fields in xbase tables, setting indexes, etc..., and a TCl box that allows entry of SQL code which is parsed and executed.... That's the goal, anyway. A fast, light and robust xbase backend to KD+. Anything you would attempt with VFP could be done with KD+. The price is write and you wouldn't have to live with those annoying 'features' that can't be fixed because you don't have the source. So, Keith, that's about it. 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Jerry , very interesting post. I too have realy mossed the windows based visual programing tools and languages. I started with clarion , moved to Zac ( a clipper based app builder ) then Delphi which I realy miss on linux and am starting to play with Java. I realy miss the delphi pascal and its realy rich set of components and very larg third party tools. Man what a sinch , throw a few Data aware components , tie them together (data caccess and forms) and you had a workable app with VERY LITTLE CODING. Thats RAD. And to boot , you could then tweak the code if you like. The only thing similar is Java , the JDK , IBMs visualAge and some other ides. I kind of like Simplicity. Like the name says , simplicity. Unfortunaly there is a derth of components and third party suport for the beginer or single in house devoloper / amature programer. Every thing is geared to the big corperate shops. Well some good news is that Coral is coming out soon with WP Suite wich will have Paradox Data Base , and hopefully soon , Borland will have Delphi for linux. That may be moot for me by the time it happens ? who knows. I realy need to buckle down and read one or two of the Java books I have , and start fiddling with code. You cant just toss compomnnts on the screen and tie them in together a;la Delhi. You realy need a s0ome what solid foundation in the language its self. Then you can move on to the IDEs that are there. Not like Delphi where you can actualy realy build apps and then slowly work out thje language skills. here with Java its the other way around. Does Kdevolper work with Java ? Have you used any of the java ides ??
I started with RH 5.0 about two years ago, but as a newbie to Linux I didn't get the the software development stage. About 1 1/2 years ago I switched to SuSE 5.3 and have migrated up the version chain every since. I will continue to do so as long as SuSE maintains their high quality and excellent value, to say nothing of 1300+ pacakges that ride along with the distro. I jumped on board KDE when their first beta was released, about the time I switched to SuSE, and will remain with it because it is an excellent product.
Concerning development in SuSE, I began using emacs, which includes version control, then switched to xemacs because I prefer to use KDE. But, I missed the nearly WYSIWYG GUI RAD evironment from my Lotus, PB, VB, FP and VFP days. I ran my own consulting business for 15 years and I could never have made a living using emacs to create affordable mom&pop GUI software. (I used AREV to create text based software)
I have experiemented with about everything free that I could find. I tried TurboVision for about an hour. It is a clone of the old Borland text-based C tool and if you want to stay in the console mode it is about as good as anything.
Then I started trying some of the more economical GUI RADS. I bought CodeForge but, perhaps, too soon. The development package was merely a GUI version of xemacs. The dialog design capability was just like emacs (and "Visual" C++ [an oxymoron if there ever was one], which I subscribed to for a year) and their method of configuring the makefile and their approach runing CVS were too error prone, inflexable and buggy. Through several upgrades they never added GUI dialog ability, so I dropped it. The same for CodeWarrior, and a couple other CodeXXXX packages. I never looked at any more packages unless that were a) economical and b) had GUI dialog capability. Over the years I've paid several thousands of dollars for commerical GUI RAD, and the higher the version number the more expensive they got and the more bloated, buggy and unusable they became. All followed M$s lead in their business model.
I tried PGACCESS, which comes with PostgreSQL and is an ACCESS clone to some degree. It uses TCL and is 'nice', but too primative to use for professional development or for very large projects of any kind. The widgets were not visually appealing and lacked sophistication. Every widget was a 'grid' and a real grid wasn't in the tool kit.
Sophistication? a) multiple and adjustable look and feels, adequate property settings dialogs (I hate writing long lines of dotted code to set height, width, font properties, tab orders, etc...) b) data-aware capability without writing tons of code for each widget (I know, that one requires a native backend or adjustibility to multiple backends), c) methods that can be accessed and modifed at the widget level and extended by adding UDFs to the widget or dialog form, d) event handling and code modification, e) supports objects and inheritance (this requirement eliminates VB and VB clones - cut&paste is not inheritance..:).
I downloaded and tried TCL and Visual TCL. The latter was very nice, and had a good GUI tutorial, but the widgets were no better than TCL and lacked sophistication. GK+ improves a bit but it is still not there. TCL, V-TCL and GK+ make nice tools for making small SDI apps.
I tried XForms, another 'nice' but limited tool, just like PGACCESS.
I tried Python, which is a very nice OOP language and a great 'glue', (C without memory management woes), but when attached to the above mentioned widgets the sophistication problem comes along for the ride.
Then KDevelop released beta 1.1... Heaven! KDevelop (I'll call it KD+) fits hand in glove to KDE. It is like using VB on Win95. (Sorry for the metaphor, but it is true...) KD+ uses C++ and all of it's OOP abilities. KD+ uses the same toolkit that is used to build KDE (hand in glove). KD+ uses 'Signals & Slots' (easy to learn and use, fast and reliable) for component communication, the same as KDE. The Dialog design tool lacks only a couple of things: a) group manipulation ability - select several controls and adjust, say, their position properties, fonts, colors, tab order, etc, at the same time, and b) a few more KDE controls, like true grids, a date control, I don't mean the datecontrol or datepicker, but a textbox with date formating built in. (getting picky ain't I?)
There are a few more suggestions and nit-pics but hey, this is only beta 1.1. KD+ has got it all (almost) and will sweep the Linux world like a raging forest fire!
My own plans are to use the xbase OOP code and create VFP 6 compatible data-aware widgets, a datawindow and a tcl box. VFP 6 carries too much WinXX baggage to want to mimick it exactly. That's why the DBC is such a dog. But, a group of xbase controls that allow design-time binding to fields in xbase tables, setting indexes, etc..., and a TCl box that allows entry of SQL code which is parsed and executed.... That's the goal, anyway. A fast, light and robust xbase backend to KD+. Anything you would attempt with VFP could be done with KD+. The price is write and you wouldn't have to live with those annoying 'features' that can't be fixed because you don't have the source. So, Keith, that's about it. Jerry
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Samy Elashmawy wrote:
Jerry , very interesting post.
I too have realy mossed the windows based visual programing tools and languages. I started with clarion , moved to Zac ( a clipper based app builder ) then Delphi which I realy miss on linux and am starting to play with Java.
I tried BlueJava, which is more of a teaching tool. Then I tried Sun's JDK. But, far and away the best Java development tool out there for Linux is IBM's VisualAge for Java. I tested the 3.0 version on both Win95 and SuSE. They work and look indentical on both platforms and generate the same source code. I decided not to go with Java for two reasons: Sun has turned squirrly about Java and Linux, and it is too slow. I looked briefly at Kaffe, but it is like OS/2 or WINE trying to catchup with M$. IF IBM can hijack control of Java away from Sun that would be good. While IBM is another 800 lb gorilla, it seems to be behaving like a gorilla that learned a lesson about propriatary attitudes in the Linux community.
I realy miss the delphi pascal and its realy rich set of components and very larg third party tools. Man what a sinch , throw a few Data aware components , tie them together (data caccess and forms) and you had a workable app with VERY LITTLE CODING. Thats RAD. And to boot , you could then tweak the code if you like.
When I started my business in 1983 the first tool I used was Turbo Pascal 3.02a. I used the BCD combined with the DB Tookbox to write many mom&pop apps. I tried the Borland Windows version but it wasn't too hot. Then Borland came out with Delphi about the same time that I switched to PB. I liked Delphi, PowerBuilder 3.0 gave me more power and that awesome 'datawindow'. I also stopped being a one tool developer and picked up VB and some other GUI RADs at the time.
The only thing similar is Java , the JDK , IBMs visualAge and some other ides. I kind of like Simplicity. Like the name says , simplicity.
Unfortunaly there is a derth of components and third party suport for the beginer or single in house devoloper / amature programer. Every thing is geared to the big corperate shops.
Well some good news is that Coral is coming out soon with WP Suite wich will have Paradox Data Base , and hopefully soon , Borland will have Delphi for linux.
PDox is a pain in the pituti. IMHO. It used to be the standard db where I work, but we've finally moved everything to VFP. Users have a tendency to create db's like popcorn and before you know it PDox is walking off the end of the HD.
That may be moot for me by the time it happens ? who knows. I realy need to buckle down and read one or two of the Java books I have , and start fiddling with code. You cant just toss compomnnts on the screen and tie them in together a;la Delhi. You realy need a s0ome what solid foundation in the language its self. Then you can move on to the IDEs that are there. Not like Delphi where you can actualy realy build apps and then slowly work out thje language skills. here with Java its the other way around.
Does Kdevolper work with Java ? Have you used any of the java ides ??
No, KDeveloper is C++ based and generates pure cc. On the Java front I prefer VisualAge for Java from IBM, but as I said, I'm not going with Java because of the issues mentioned above. I might add that while java makes a nice applet generator for web pages, it does nothing for in-house development. Cross-platform development only means something when you market is spread across platform. We are an M$ platform at work, and even if we were to switch to Linux (which I think will be inevitable, if not within the next 5 years) writing an app in Java just so that you could recompile it on Linux when you switch is not a good enough reason to put up with the slowness. Buying fast hardware and lots of RAM may be a solution to some folks by government entities work on a thin budget. In the future I see lots of development in KDeveloper on Linux, given a good backend connection. Then you have the best of all worlds: the best OS, the best language, the best GUI RAD and speed, speed, speed. Jerry
I started with RH 5.0 about two years ago, but as a newbie to Linux I didn't get the the software development stage. About 1 1/2 years ago I switched to SuSE 5.3 and have migrated up the version chain every since. I will continue to do so as long as SuSE maintains their high quality and excellent value, to say nothing of 1300+ pacakges that ride along with the distro. I jumped on board KDE when their first beta was released, about the time I switched to SuSE, and will remain with it because it is an excellent product.
Concerning development in SuSE, I began using emacs, which includes version control, then switched to xemacs because I prefer to use KDE. But, I missed the nearly WYSIWYG GUI RAD evironment from my Lotus, PB, VB, FP and VFP days. I ran my own consulting business for 15 years and I could never have made a living using emacs to create affordable mom&pop GUI software. (I used AREV to create text based software)
I have experiemented with about everything free that I could find. I tried TurboVision for about an hour. It is a clone of the old Borland text-based C tool and if you want to stay in the console mode it is about as good as anything.
Then I started trying some of the more economical GUI RADS. I bought CodeForge but, perhaps, too soon. The development package was merely a GUI version of xemacs. The dialog design capability was just like emacs (and "Visual" C++ [an oxymoron if there ever was one], which I subscribed to for a year) and their method of configuring the makefile and their approach runing CVS were too error prone, inflexable and buggy. Through several upgrades they never added GUI dialog ability, so I dropped it. The same for CodeWarrior, and a couple other CodeXXXX packages. I never looked at any more packages unless that were a) economical and b) had GUI dialog capability. Over the years I've paid several thousands of dollars for commerical GUI RAD, and the higher the version number the more expensive they got and the more bloated, buggy and unusable they became. All followed M$s lead in their business model.
I tried PGACCESS, which comes with PostgreSQL and is an ACCESS clone to some degree. It uses TCL and is 'nice', but too primative to use for professional development or for very large projects of any kind. The widgets were not visually appealing and lacked sophistication. Every widget was a 'grid' and a real grid wasn't in the tool kit.
Sophistication? a) multiple and adjustable look and feels, adequate property settings dialogs (I hate writing long lines of dotted code to set height, width, font properties, tab orders, etc...) b) data-aware capability without writing tons of code for each widget (I know, that one requires a native backend or adjustibility to multiple backends), c) methods that can be accessed and modifed at the widget level and extended by adding UDFs to the widget or dialog form, d) event handling and code modification, e) supports objects and inheritance (this requirement eliminates VB and VB clones - cut&paste is not inheritance..:).
I downloaded and tried TCL and Visual TCL. The latter was very nice, and had a good GUI tutorial, but the widgets were no better than TCL and lacked sophistication. GK+ improves a bit but it is still not there. TCL, V-TCL and GK+ make nice tools for making small SDI apps.
I tried XForms, another 'nice' but limited tool, just like PGACCESS.
I tried Python, which is a very nice OOP language and a great 'glue', (C without memory management woes), but when attached to the above mentioned widgets the sophistication problem comes along for the ride.
Then KDevelop released beta 1.1... Heaven! KDevelop (I'll call it KD+) fits hand in glove to KDE. It is like using VB on Win95. (Sorry for the metaphor, but it is true...) KD+ uses C++ and all of it's OOP abilities. KD+ uses the same toolkit that is used to build KDE (hand in glove). KD+ uses 'Signals & Slots' (easy to learn and use, fast and reliable) for component communication, the same as KDE. The Dialog design tool lacks only a couple of things: a) group manipulation ability - select several controls and adjust, say, their position properties, fonts, colors, tab order, etc, at the same time, and b) a few more KDE controls, like true grids, a date control, I don't mean the datecontrol or datepicker, but a textbox with date formating built in. (getting picky ain't I?)
There are a few more suggestions and nit-pics but hey, this is only beta 1.1. KD+ has got it all (almost) and will sweep the Linux world like a raging forest fire!
My own plans are to use the xbase OOP code and create VFP 6 compatible data-aware widgets, a datawindow and a tcl box. VFP 6 carries too much WinXX baggage to want to mimick it exactly. That's why the DBC is such a dog. But, a group of xbase controls that allow design-time binding to fields in xbase tables, setting indexes, etc..., and a TCl box that allows entry of SQL code which is parsed and executed.... That's the goal, anyway. A fast, light and robust xbase backend to KD+. Anything you would attempt with VFP could be done with KD+. The price is write and you wouldn't have to live with those annoying 'features' that can't be fixed because you don't have the source. So, Keith, that's about it. Jerry
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Hi Keith, here's my list One Pentium 500Mhz, 13.2+8.2Gb Hd, SuSE 6.3 - Fileserver/Mailserver One P60, 260Mb, SuSE6.3 - Firewall/Gateway and 3 Win* boxes for the kids and my work. Developping still in M$ stuff (Access, VBA, VB) No time as yet for serious development in Linux (Grr, I hate time) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Hi, Mainly for development.... Box 1 - SuSE 6.3 - Database Server/Development (Interbase / Oracle) Box 2 - SuSE 6.3 - VisiBroker CORBA/ORB Server/Development Box 3 - SuSE 6.3 - General file server / backup etc. When Kylix (Delphi for Linux) is released in the summer, I shall be developing and porting my 'server' developments to Linux. Client/GUI applications, still are done in and for Windows, I have not yet had a customer that has, or is willing to use, Linux machines as desktops. Certainty in my area of work (software development for large Database systems, e.g. banks, call centres etc.) Windows is the main desktop OS for the foreseeable future, but Linux is gaining more and more acceptance as a 'server' OS, and is achieving better results than NT Cheers Phil -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
I love SuSE, therefore it pains me no end to have to run RedHat on my development and work boxes. But I do. I do not have time to do development for SuSE to get things to work, that just Work in RedHat. nessus for example. It just runs in RedHat. For Suse I can tweak it to get it to run, but it segfaults here and there still. Something as simple as all this font stuff we had recently on the list just work in Redhat. I do not like it either. By the way, have you tried XFCE3? much nicer than OLVWM. Slim too. My2cts Keith Warno wrote:
Lotsa talk I see here about all sorts of X stuff, people saying that they're this and that close to switching to Linux as they're desktop environment, etc etc etc.
And everyone using all these fancy window managers, like KDE, etc (guess cuz they're cool and easy -- *point* *click*)
I feel like an outcast using OLVWM. But there's a reason: the box(es) (SuSE 6.2) are used for development. CGI stuff in C/C++ with mysql thrown in. OLVWM isn't a resource hog.
What I'm curious about is what other SuSE users on this list use SuSE for. How many of yas out there use it for development of any sort in a commercial environment? In 9 out of 10 places I see Red Hat being used and that does evil things to my gut. I personally started off w/ Slackware in the early days (1994), tried Red Hat for literally a day, and have been with SuSE -- using it for development -- for nearly two years.
What about you folks? This is an open-ended sort of topic; My intention is not to start a distro war. I'm simply curious to see what ppl are using _SuSE_ for.
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Keith Warno wrote: [snip]
What about you folks? This is an open-ended sort of topic; My intention is not to start a distro war. I'm simply curious to see what ppl are using _SuSE_ for.
1. Desktop: web development, Office productivity, WWW browsing 2. Laptop: Network troubleshooter 3. Spare#1: Seti@home client 4. Spare#2: Seti@home client -- George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Here's my list...
1. Desktop
2. NFS server
3. Mail gateway
4. Firewall
5. FTP server
6. Web Server
7. Audio/Video streaming box
8. Backup server (it runs the nightly backups)
9. Storage warehouse
* George Toft
Keith Warno wrote: [snip]
What about you folks? This is an open-ended sort of topic; My intention is not to start a distro war. I'm simply curious to see what ppl are using _SuSE_ for.
1. Desktop: web development, Office productivity, WWW browsing 2. Laptop: Network troubleshooter 3. Spare#1: Seti@home client 4. Spare#2: Seti@home client
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Desktop, making sings, accounting-moneydance , devoploment - java- simplicity Server file server via samba , print server , firewall/ipmasq server At 01:57 PM 2/5/2000 -1000, George Toft wrote:
Keith Warno wrote: [snip]
What about you folks? This is an open-ended sort of topic; My intention is not to start a distro war. I'm simply curious to see what ppl are using _SuSE_ for.
1. Desktop: web development, Office productivity, WWW browsing 2. Laptop: Network troubleshooter 3. Spare#1: Seti@home client 4. Spare#2: Seti@home client
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On 5 Feb 00, at 1:15, Keith Warno wrote:
What I'm curious about is what other SuSE users on this list use SuSE for. How many of yas out there use it for development of any sort in a commercial environment?
Hi Keith, At work, I have a web/database server running 6.3 and my workstation running 6.2. I do some (minor) Perl and MySQL stuff on my workstation. I also have a laptop running 6.3 that I use for network analysis. At home, I have a router/firewall and a workstation running 6.3. The workstation is mainly used for web and database development, and for my kid to play games on. I don't really do any serious development, but I do build a lot of tarballs. Cheers, Dennis "Custard pies are a sort of esperanto: a universal language." --Noel Godin -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Sun, 06 Feb 2000, you wrote:
On 5 Feb 00, at 1:15, Keith Warno wrote:
What I'm curious about is what other SuSE users on this list use SuSE for. How many of yas out there use it for development of any sort in a commercial environment?
Hi, Us? Photo studio. Just thrown away the macs at last and got some decent computers for a change. Gimp instead of photoshop, staroffice for accounts and wp, webmaker from KDE and gftp to put it all up there. What more do we need? Oh yes. The SCSI scanners arrive next Monday! Clara at FeF, Spain. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
What I'm curious about is what other SuSE users on this list use SuSE for. How many of yas out there use it for development of any sort in a commercial environment?
I use it for many things. Desktop at home. Development with perl, tcl/tk, java, and recently c++ ( just learning ). Web server/ftp server, and I have it on my laptop that I use as my main link to our web/email server at work. I sometimes use it as a remote X server to export the disply from an IRIX machine too. I don't think I will give up SuSE or Linux any time soon. . .It is my favorite environment for the foreseeable future. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Darren R. Weber drw@linuxfan.com ICQ# 2849193 http://drw.penguinpowered.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Hello all, Well, I have mainly used Linux/SuSE as a workstation for the last 2 years. My first Linux experience was with Redhat 3.0 some years ago, but it just didn't cut it .. so I ran NeXTStep 3.X for X86 for a long while. As it stands this is my home network .. AMD K6-III 400 w/ SuSE 6.3 2.2.14: Workstation: Games, Office software and everything else. Sun Ultra 10 w/ Solaris 8: Q3 server, Web, mail and other such server applications. PII 266 w/ freeBSD 3.3+: NAT/Firewall box I like SuSE a lot..been here since 5.0 and it's a nice workstation. I haven't really tried to ever have it serve anything...well, it does run sshd so I can get in and kill Quake 3 when it freezes X ;) just my ramblings..take them for what they are *grin*. laters, -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org SuSE 6.3 (2.2.14) ICQ UIN:49268667 ------------------------------------------------------------ " Success is how high you bounce when you hit bottom " --Gen. George Patton -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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