Release after release, the webmaster posts a shipping date that is KNOWN to NOT be attainable!! As much of a SUSE supporter as I am, this not only irritates me, it fouls up my schedule as I attempt to setup dates to upgrade clients. Not to mention, that I have them preorder product and they get irritated when it doesn't ship timely!! The practice of posting a shipping date that is KNOWN to not be correct MUST stop. Fred -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)."
On Thu October 16 2003 11:55 am, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Release after release, the webmaster posts a shipping date that is KNOWN to NOT be attainable!! As much of a SUSE supporter as I am, this not only irritates me, it fouls up my schedule as I attempt to setup dates to upgrade clients. Not to mention, that I have them preorder product and they get irritated when it doesn't ship timely!! The practice of posting a shipping date that is KNOWN to not be correct MUST stop.
Could I just point out the fact that you're scheduling clients for upgrades on a product that has yet to be released and tested in a production environment would probably be considered slightly more "irritable" to your clients than the issues you're pointing out above? I admit it may be a mistake to have incorrect shipping/release dates on a website, but that would be the least of my worries if I were one of your clients. ;) Food for thought... -John -- Where zen ends, the ass kicking begins...
On Thursday 16 October 2003 7:55 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Release after release, the webmaster posts a shipping date that is KNOWN to NOT be attainable!! As much of a SUSE supporter as I am, this not only irritates me, it fouls up my schedule as I attempt to setup dates to upgrade clients. Not to mention, that I have them preorder product and they get irritated when it doesn't ship timely!! The practice of posting a shipping date that is KNOWN to not be correct MUST stop.
Fred
I can't believe that you've scheduled dates to "upgrade" your clients without having verified for yourself first that the upgrade will A) go smoothly on their hardware and B) there will be no impacts on important production software already running. oh and by the way... my last update arrived on the very day of the release and several people in here have already received their boxes for SuSE 9.0
-- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)."
On Thursday 16 October 2003 14:55 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Release after release, the webmaster posts a shipping date that is KNOWN to NOT be attainable!! As much of a SUSE supporter as I am, this not only irritates me, it fouls up my schedule as I attempt to setup dates to upgrade clients. Not to mention, that I have them preorder product and they get irritated when it doesn't ship timely!! The practice of posting a shipping date that is KNOWN to not be correct MUST stop.
Eh?? I usually receive my copy ON or the DAY BEFORE the date it is to be available.
Fred
-- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)."
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 10/16/03 22:00 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Actors will happen in the best-regulated families."
I noticed that the shipping date on the website has changed to 24 Oct today. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Marshall [mailto:bmarsh@bmarsh.com] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 19:01 To: SLE Subject: Re: [SLE] Shipping dates. On Thursday 16 October 2003 14:55 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Release after release, the webmaster posts a shipping date that is KNOWN to NOT be attainable!! As much of a SUSE supporter as I am, this not only irritates me, it fouls up my schedule as I attempt to setup dates to upgrade clients. Not to mention, that I have them preorder product and they get irritated when it doesn't ship timely!! The practice of posting a shipping date that is KNOWN to not be correct MUST stop.
Eh?? I usually receive my copy ON or the DAY BEFORE the date it is to be available.
Fred
-- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)."
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On Friday 17 October 2003 23:51, Patrick Gross wrote:
I noticed that the shipping date on the website has changed to 24 Oct today.
That's interesting - I have a copy of 9.0 sitting downstairs which arrived today. (sorry, that was cruel, I will admit...) Not installed yet (due to spending the evening trying to save a friend's WinME installation) - but I've had a look through the documentation, as I decided to splash out on the full version, not the upgrade. By and large the documentation for 9.0 looks pretty good... Pros: A really _good_ explanation of bootloaders (admin guide ch. 4) Ditto on rolling your own kernel (admin guide ch. 10) Good (basic) IPv6 documentation (admin guide ch. 13) Very nice Kerberos documentation (admin guide ch. 18) Decent chapters on sound and video (user guide ch. 18+19) Cons: User guide - KDE (chapter 4) - revenge of the germlish! Section 4.2.2 (Desktop) has one chapter written in English. And two written in German. Which is a minor glitch (especially if you can read German, or have access to a translator of some form), but does stick out a bit in an otherwise well-presented manual. I'll report back on how it actually *behaves* when I've had time to install it. Gideon. (And I'll try and mail you a copy of the filelist, Richard. YOU is OK, but apt-get is _good_.)
Op zaterdag 18 oktober 2003 02:49, schreef Gideon Hallett:
(And I'll try and mail you a copy of the filelist, Richard. YOU is OK, but apt-get is _good_.)
Indeed :) Apt is available now for suse-90, it's provided from the suser-rbos component. The latter was formerly known as "extra". http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/freshrpms.html The ftp location is: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/apt4rpm/9.0 Synaptic will be provided soon, I'm waiting for the official 0.45 release in the next couple of days. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Sunday 19 October 2003 03:09, Richard Bos wrote:
Op zaterdag 18 oktober 2003 02:49, schreef Gideon Hallett:
(And I'll try and mail you a copy of the filelist, Richard. YOU is OK, but apt-get is _good_.)
Indeed :) Apt is available now for suse-90, it's provided from the suser-rbos component. The latter was formerly known as "extra". http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/freshrpms.html
The ftp location is: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/apt4rpm/9.0
Richard is the new apt-get backward compatible? Can I install it on 8.2? Bob S.
Synaptic will be provided soon, I'm waiting for the official 0.45 release in the next couple of days.
-- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Op dinsdag 21 oktober 2003 04:59, schreef Bob S.:
The ftp location is: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/apt4rpm/9.0
Richard is the new apt-get backward compatible? Can I install it on 8.2?
No, why should you. There is an 8.2 version at: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/apt4rpm/suse/extra/8.2/ -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Thursday 23 October 2003 14:41, Richard Bos wrote:
Op dinsdag 21 oktober 2003 04:59, schreef Bob S.:
The ftp location is: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/apt4rpm/9.0
Richard is the new apt-get backward compatible? Can I install it on 8.2?
No, why should you. There is an 8.2 version at: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/apt4rpm/suse/extra/8.2/
Just thought it would be good to have it in anticipation of my 9.0 upgrade, that's all. Bob S.
-- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
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