Heh - my mother-in-law has a new computer. Of course, I bought her a Dell with free dos and put openSUSE on the system. Recently the router at my in-laws' house took a dump and they replaced the router. The rep from the cable company went over to re-configure her system and didn't have a clue about Linux. Well, I get a call and - ten minutes later, the rep knows how to setup a wireless connection in openSUSE. LOL! -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
Heh - my mother-in-law has a new computer. Of course, I bought her a Dell with free dos and put openSUSE on the system. Recently the router at my in-laws' house took a dump and they replaced the router.
The rep from the cable company went over to re-configure her system and didn't have a clue about Linux.
Well, I get a call and - ten minutes later, the rep knows how to setup a wireless connection in openSUSE.
LOL!
Of course now you will have to hunt him down and kill him since you gave him root... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 11 August 2008 04:52:02 pm John Andersen wrote:
Kai Ponte wrote:
Heh - my mother-in-law has a new computer. Of course, I bought her a Dell with free dos and put openSUSE on the system. Recently the router at my in-laws' house took a dump and they replaced the router.
The rep from the cable company went over to re-configure her system and didn't have a clue about Linux.
Well, I get a call and - ten minutes later, the rep knows how to setup a wireless connection in openSUSE.
LOL!
Of course now you will have to hunt him down and kill him since you gave him root...
Oh, the password isn't hard. It is 'a' - without the quotes. :) -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Oh, the password isn't hard. It is 'a' - without the quotes.
Should have kept the quotes. Even w/ your in-laws or "non-technical" people, root should always be difficult to guess and never told to anyone. If you're going to work around security like that, install an OS that runs as Admin all the time..... -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 11 August 2008 09:17:39 pm Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
Oh, the password isn't hard. It is 'a' - without the quotes.
Should have kept the quotes. Even w/ your in-laws or "non-technical" people, root should always be difficult to guess and never told to anyone. If you're going to work around security like that, install an OS that runs as Admin all the time.....
I could do that with openSUSE too. No one's stopping me from running as root. There are easier fish to fry on the block. When I took my laptop there, KNetworkmanager found at least three open wifi networks to connect with - two called NETGEAR and one called LINKSYS. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 21:37 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:
On Monday 11 August 2008 09:17:39 pm Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
Oh, the password isn't hard. It is 'a' - without the quotes.
Should have kept the quotes. Even w/ your in-laws or "non-technical" people, root should always be difficult to guess and never told to anyone. If you're going to work around security like that, install an OS that runs as Admin all the time.....
I could do that with openSUSE too. No one's stopping me from running as root.
There are easier fish to fry on the block. When I took my laptop there, KNetworkmanager found at least three open wifi networks to connect with - two called NETGEAR and one called LINKSYS.
And this surprises you because? I also use simple admin passwords on some of the systems that I set up, none of those systems are for anything critical, if they were, I'd use a good password. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 21:37 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:
On Monday 11 August 2008 09:17:39 pm Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
Oh, the password isn't hard. It is 'a' - without the quotes.
Should have kept the quotes. Even w/ your in-laws or "non-technical" people, root should always be difficult to guess and never told to anyone. If you're going to work around security like that, install an OS that runs as Admin all the time.....
I could do that with openSUSE too. No one's stopping me from running as root.
There are easier fish to fry on the block. When I took my laptop there, KNetworkmanager found at least three open wifi networks to connect with - two called NETGEAR and one called LINKSYS.
And this surprises you because? I also use simple admin passwords on some of the systems that I set up, none of those systems are for anything critical, if they were, I'd use a good password.
Unfortunately, many of those with open WiFi are also running Windows and exposing their computers to anyone who might want to break in. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 11 August 2008 09:44:45 pm Mike McMullin wrote:
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 21:37 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:
On Monday 11 August 2008 09:17:39 pm Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
Oh, the password isn't hard. It is 'a' - without the quotes.
Should have kept the quotes. Even w/ your in-laws or "non-technical" people, root should always be difficult to guess and never told to anyone. If you're going to work around security like that, install an OS that runs as Admin all the time.....
I could do that with openSUSE too. No one's stopping me from running as root.
There are easier fish to fry on the block. When I took my laptop there, KNetworkmanager found at least three open wifi networks to connect with - two called NETGEAR and one called LINKSYS.
And this surprises you because?
No, I was just making a point. I often get inadvertently connected to either ATLANTIS or NETGEAR at my house.
I also use simple admin passwords on some of the systems that I set up, none of those systems are for anything critical, if they were, I'd use a good password.
Bingo - for my sites I was using !Stda55alle5 or b!sszumb1tterenende or something like that. (I'll leave it to you German punk rockers in the crowd to figure out the references...) -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Monday 11 August 2008 09:17:39 pm Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
Oh, the password isn't hard. It is 'a' - without the quotes.
Should have kept the quotes. Even w/ your in-laws or "non-technical" people, root should always be difficult to guess and never told to anyone. If you're going to work around security like that, install an OS that runs as Admin all the time.....
I could do that with openSUSE too. No one's stopping me from running as root.
There are easier fish to fry on the block. When I took my laptop there, KNetworkmanager found at least three open wifi networks to connect with - two called NETGEAR and one called LINKSYS.
There are some open WiFi connections near my office. One belonging to a security company only uses WEP. I guess they're not fully up on security. ;-) I run WPA2, both at home & work and at home, my WiFi is outside of my firewall and requires OpenVPN or SSH to access my network. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* James Knott (james.knott@rogers.com) [20080812 13:16]:
One belonging to a security company only uses WEP. I guess they're not fully up on security. ;-)
I wouldn't say that too loud, at least unless you've tried to hack that WLAN. Could be that the network is secured otherwise and only the outmost barrier is weak WEP. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Philipp Thomas wrote:
* James Knott (james.knott@rogers.com) [20080812 13:16]:
One belonging to a security company only uses WEP. I guess they're not fully up on security. ;-)
I wouldn't say that too loud, at least unless you've tried to hack that WLAN. Could be that the network is secured otherwise and only the outmost barrier is weak WEP.
Philipp
Their office is right across the hall from mine and the owner is not that sharp about computers etc, though he would know his business (property security). I'd be surprised if he had much more than WEP. Also, a friend of mine does a lot of work for doctors and find they often run WiFi without any encryption, because they don't know better. You'd think an industry that's supposed to protect patient's records would do something about this lack of security. I also have a coupple of friends who are psychologists. They routinely send records via email, without encryption and don't encrypt their disks etc. I have tried to advise both, but they're simply not interested. Another example of lack of knowledge is my own doctor's office, where though they had computers plugged into a UPS, they were plugged into the wrong side, getting only surge protection, while other devices were on the UPS side. Many people who need to know about security, simply don't or can't be bothered. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Philipp Thomas wrote:
* James Knott (james.knott@rogers.com) [20080812 13:16]:
One belonging to a security company only uses WEP. I guess they're not fully up on security. ;-)
I wouldn't say that too loud, at least unless you've tried to hack that WLAN. Could be that the network is secured otherwise and only the outmost barrier is weak WEP.
Philipp
Their office is right across the hall from mine and the owner is not that sharp about computers etc, though he would know his business (property security). I'd be surprised if he had much more than WEP. Also, a friend of mine does a lot of work for doctors and find they often run WiFi without any encryption, because they don't know better. You'd think an industry that's supposed to protect patient's records would do something about this lack of security. I also have a coupple of friends who are psychologists. They routinely send records via email, without encryption and don't encrypt their disks etc. I have tried to advise both, but they're simply not interested. Another example of lack of knowledge is my own doctor's office, where though they had computers plugged into a UPS, they were plugged into the wrong side, getting only surge protection, while other devices were on the UPS side. Many people who need to know about security, simply don't or can't be bothered.
Wow I would so love to bring a clipboard with me on one of those visits and when you tell them the basic uncontestible facts of life, which aren't helped by ignoring, and they ignore it, pull out the clipboard and scribble a little on it and go "hmm, interesting. Why do you suppose that is? Is it that since you can not see or taste or smell the radio waves, electricity or the data modulated onto them, that you don't beleive they really exist or that they matter? Or maybe you feel guilty for taking patients money and so your subconscious leads you to place yourself in danger so that you'll get network-raped someday, and thereby suffer the punishment your subconscious feels you deserve? Or maybe you just don't like your job or your life and this is your way of bringing about a massive and wholesale major life change? Or is it something less obviously explicable like maybe you just beleive that the rent on your office space includes network fairies to protect your stuff?" heh :) -- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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