Doug McGarrett wrote:

At 07:16 PM 9/27/2004 -0700, Ben wrote:

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I dont get why tar wont compile when all other things do, For instance i run Internet Explorer on SuSE + Word + Access + Outlook + Microsoft games like S.O.F + a heap of RPM's but tar files wont compile.

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How the heck are you running ("compiling") all these MS programs under SuSE?

Not at all sure what the OP is doing, but I *run* the above programs (minus the game) using the excellent CrossOver Office program. Louis

On Wednesday 29 September 2004 04:22, Ben wrote:

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:31:50 -0400, Doug McGarrett

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At 07:16 PM 9/27/2004 -0700, Ben wrote:

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I dont get why tar wont compile when all other things do, For instance i run Internet Explorer on SuSE + Word + Access + Outlook + Microsoft games like S.O.F + a heap of RPM's but tar files wont compile.

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How the heck are you running ("compiling") all these MS programs under SuSE?

I use a prog called CrossOver its pretty good!. I needed to use Internet Explorer for a course in Network+ ComPTIA so i installed CrossOver which allowed me to install IE and i installed other MS products just to see if i could (i dont use them as linux apps i find much better) It just humoured me to run MS progs on linux (but the games where a good thing) Its allowed me to un-install MS completely.

A tip: There is a site somewhere that can show how web pages look in various versions of IE. Sorry, I don't have a pointer (who has??? please post). This is most helpfull to people who don't have IE at all. Cheers, Leen

On Tuesday 28 September 2004 23:05, Sid Boyce wrote:

Leendert Meyer wrote:

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On Wednesday 29 September 2004 04:22, Ben wrote:

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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:31:50 -0400, Doug McGarrett

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At 07:16 PM 9/27/2004 -0700, Ben wrote:

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I dont get why tar wont compile when all other things do, For instance i run Internet Explorer on SuSE + Word + Access + Outlook + Microsoft games like S.O.F + a heap of RPM's but tar files wont compile.

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How the heck are you running ("compiling") all these MS programs under SuSE?

I use a prog called CrossOver its pretty good!. I needed to use Internet Explorer for a course in Network+ ComPTIA so i installed CrossOver which allowed me to install IE and i installed other MS products just to see if i could (i dont use them as linux apps i find much better) It just humoured me to run MS progs on linux (but the games where a good thing) Its allowed me to un-install MS completely.

A tip:

There is a site somewhere that can show how web pages look in various versions of IE. Sorry, I don't have a pointer (who has??? please post).

This is most helpfull to people who don't have IE at all.

On linuxtoday.com, there is a rant on browsers by one of the kernel maintainers, Robin Miller on sites not accepting browsers other than IE, one site he pointed to, I was able to view with firefox. In konqueror, you can setup it up to say it is e.g IE of various levels, but there was one site a long time ago wouldn't allow you to display it if it didn't have browser+operating system details. I have crossover installed, but I don't go near IE to do anything, it being a trojan and I wouldn't want my bank account details intercepted for the purposes of fraud. I've not tried mozilla on crossover office.

I run a small website where most of the visitors use IE, so I simply *have* to know how something looks like in IE. I had a few nice tweaks that just looked horrible in IE (e.g. transparent .png graphics). It was quite frustrating that I had to revert changes that looked well in Opera, Firefox and Konqueror, but not in IE. The only thing I can do is to be sure my site looks well in the weakest (and unfortunately most abundant) link, aka IE. I really do hope that Firefox, now already looking more than promising, takes over the IE share (and not its reputation). Cheers, Leen

On Tuesday 28 September 2004 23:41, Sid Boyce wrote:

Leendert Meyer wrote:

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Leendert Meyer wrote: I run a small website where most of the visitors use IE, so I simply *have* to know how something looks like in IE. I had a few nice tweaks

On Tuesday 28 September 2004 23:05, Sid Boyce wrote: that just looked horrible in IE (e.g. transparent .png graphics). It was quite frustrating that I had to revert changes that looked well in Opera, Firefox and Konqueror, but not in IE.

The only thing I can do is to be sure my site looks well in the weakest (and unfortunately most abundant) link, aka IE.

I really do hope that Firefox, now already looking more than promising, takes over the IE share (and not its reputation).

I take it that altering the browser personality does only that, but doesn't alter how a page looks, so if you view something in konqueror with it's personality set to IE5, the view doesn't change, correct?

Hmmm... I'm not quite sure, but I think you're right.

There is one site I just looked at and it displayed the page, then rapidly put up an anouncement page that implied that only IE and early Netscape browsers were compliant - the typical lie. I changed the personality of konqueror to IE5.5 on Windows 95 and it was then happy.

Indeed. But some sites have built-in (il-)logic, that (tries to) detect(s) the browser, and act upon the outcome, sometimes to the benefit of the viewer. My site uses this kind of logic to let phplayersmenu look right in most browsers (http://phplayersmenu.sf.net/). Cheers, Leen

On Wednesday 29 September 2004 09:15, Sid Boyce wrote:

Leendert Meyer wrote:

I'm no wizard at building web sites, but I've noticed while attempting to build a site or checking a friend's web site, all done under Linux with quanta, nvu, etc., the site will display OK in konqueror and be all messed up in firefox.

Hmm, that is strange. Did you check your pages with a HTML- or CSS- validator?

It cries out for a common standard to be adopted,

There is a common standard (actually there are more than 1, see http://www.w3.org/), but their implementation by browsers leaves some room to differ slightly. But alas, AFAIK at the present time there is no browser fully compliant with the CSS2 standard, and browsers differ in what parts are implemented. It just takes some time to comply with standards, and sometimes developers develop and implement their own standards, and even think they can get away with that (IE). They won't. Cheers, Leen

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:16:20 -0700, Ben wrote:

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I dont get why tar wont compile when all other things do, For instance i run Internet Explorer on SuSE + Word + Access + Outlook + MS games like S.O.F + a heap of RPM's but tar files wont compile. If i dont have c/c++ things installed then how can i run all the software i do? Forgive me if the answer is obvious! But i dont get why only tar files wont compile?

Yours...Ben

PS I caint find an option for C/C++ Compiler and Tools??? The software that already runs is already compiled, otherwise it wont run, what you are trying to do is (normally painless, but appears to be very

On Tuesday 28 September 2004 04:19, Ben wrote: painfull right now) is compile the contents of a tarball, which contains source code. First of all send me the link to the package you are trying to install, I also need to know what distro of suse you are running, i.e downloaded personal edition, 9.1 pro SLE etc... Is your kernel custom or std. then run : [root@chadlap: root]# gcc - -version gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 (SuSE Linux) Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. [root@chadlap: root]# c++ --version c++ (GCC) 3.3.3 (SuSE Linux) Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Make sure your are running as root (su -) If it is a driver you must extract the sources to the /usr/src/linux-2.6.4-52/drivers/the/type/of/driver directory and compile it there. Read the INSTALL or README files that accompany the source , they usually tell you there if you need a specific version of c++ or gcc to compile. let me know Thanks ps try searching for yast -- software for c++ gcc make, and see if they are infact installed.

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On Monday 27 September 2004 09:58, Chadley Wilson wrote:

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On Tuesday 28 September 2004 04:19, Ben wrote:

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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:16:20 -0700, Ben wrote:

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I dont get why tar wont compile when all other things do, For instance i run Internet Explorer on SuSE + Word + Access + Outlook + MS games like S.O.F + a heap of RPM's but tar files wont compile. If i dont have c/c++ things installed then how can i run all the software i do? Forgive me if the answer is obvious! But i dont get why only tar files wont compile?

Yours...Ben

PS I caint find an option for C/C++ Compiler and Tools???

The software that already runs is already compiled, otherwise it wont run, what you are trying to do is (normally painless, but appears to be very painfull right now) is compile the contents of a tarball, which contains source code. First of all send me the link to the package you are trying to install, I also need to know what distro of suse you are running, i.e downloaded personal edition, 9.1 pro SLE etc... Is your kernel custom or std. then run :

[root@chadlap: root]# gcc - -version gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 (SuSE Linux) Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

[root@chadlap: root]# c++ --version c++ (GCC) 3.3.3 (SuSE Linux) Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

Make sure your are running as root (su -)

He ought to be able to configure and make as a user, usually he'd only need to be root to do the 'make install' bit. Probably a bit safer to do it that way.

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If it is a driver you must extract the sources to the /usr/src/linux-2.6.4-52/drivers/the/type/of/driver directory and compile it there. Read the INSTALL or README files that accompany the source , they usually tell you there if you need a specific version of c++ or gcc to compile.

That's got him off to a good start, but depending on what he's compiling a whole slew of devel rpms may need to be on the system too, plus the right kernel sources, and so on. Cheers Fergus

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YES that is what im wondering, Does SuSE9.1 personal DL version not have software

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:26:45 +0100, Fergus Wilde wrote: that the pro version does as far as C++ ang GCC goes???

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let me know Thanks

ps try searching for yast -- software for c++ gcc make, and see if they are infact installed.

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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:58:44 +0200, Chadley Wilson wrote:

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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:16:20 -0700, Ben wrote:

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I dont get why tar wont compile when all other things do, For instance i run Internet Explorer on SuSE + Word + Access + Outlook + MS games like S.O.F + a heap of RPM's but tar files wont compile. If i dont have c/c++ things installed then how can i run all the software i do? Forgive me if the answer is obvious! But i dont get why only tar files wont compile?

Yours...Ben

PS I caint find an option for C/C++ Compiler and Tools??? The software that already runs is already compiled, otherwise it wont run, what you are trying to do is (normally painless, but appears to be very

On Tuesday 28 September 2004 04:19, Ben wrote: painfull right now) is compile the contents of a tarball, which contains source code. First of all send me the link to the package you are trying to install, I also need to know what distro of suse you are running, i.e downloaded personal edition, 9.1 pro SLE etc... Is your kernel custom or std. then run :

[root@chadlap: root]# gcc - -version gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 (SuSE Linux) Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

[root@chadlap: root]# c++ --version c++ (GCC) 3.3.3 (SuSE Linux) Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

Make sure your are running as root (su -) If it is a driver you must extract the sources to the /usr/src/linux-2.6.4-52/drivers/the/type/of/driver directory and compile it there. Read the INSTALL or README files that accompany the source , they usually tell you there if you need a specific version of c++ or gcc to compile.

let me know Thanks

ps try searching for yast -- software for c++ gcc make, and see if they are infact installed.

Yes GCC and C++ software is all installed and there? so then all should compile should it not? But no such luck, It seems to say that there is no C++ compiler installed but there is?

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