[opensuse] Why beagle?
Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one. What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system? I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good idea to put that piece of $#@!& in any distro. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 16 December 2007 21:09, Stevens wrote:
Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one.
What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system? I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good idea to put that piece of $#@!& in any distro.
From what I understand - it is supposed to be a more friendly way of organizing your stuff. Or - rather - it is a way of taking that unorganized mess of documents, spreadsheets, man pages, half-written essays on the Cold War, music files, speeches, videos, art and that-thing-you-been-trying-to-program-for-two-years and catagorize them all. I just put all my crap in /home/kai/Documents. Works for me! :P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 16 December 2007 21:09, Stevens wrote:
Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one.
What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system? I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good idea to put that piece of $#@!& in any distro.
agreed. any distro ive ever used, beagle uses more cpu than i would care
Kai Ponte wrote: that it should. a complete waste...... for ME anyway. theres really no need for it. steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 23:09 -0600, Stevens wrote:
Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one.
What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system? I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good idea to put that piece of $#@!& in any distro.
Fred
From what I'm reading right now, I'm presuming either you have no documents, or they are all on your desktop. If you actually did work, you would love Beagle. I do.
I've been using Beagle since it's SUSE introduction in 2005 (9.3), and it is a really nice way to find any documents, emails, chats, web history, music, podcasts, videos, etc. that is really easy to find things. Furthermore, as I mentioned on the "other" thread, I'm trying to figure out why Beagle takes up so much CPU and memory in some people's computers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 17 December 2007 08:37:56 am Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 23:09 -0600, Stevens wrote:
Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one.
What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system? I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good idea to put that piece of $#@!& in any distro.
Fred
From what I'm reading right now, I'm presuming either you have no
documents, or they are all on your desktop. If you actually did work, you would love Beagle. I do.
I've been using Beagle since it's SUSE introduction in 2005 (9.3), and it is a really nice way to find any documents, emails, chats, web history, music, podcasts, videos, etc. that is really easy to find things.
Furthermore, as I mentioned on the "other" thread, I'm trying to figure out why Beagle takes up so much CPU and memory in some people's computers
I have no problem with beagle, and I find it a nice way to graphically search for things that I have misplaced. The only time I have trouble with it taking up a lot of my system is during the first run on a clean install, after that it waits until midnight to update its index on my desktop, which has a Intel Cereron D 3.33 Ghz processor and 512 MB ram 2 gig swap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 17 December 2007 16:47:31 Adam Jimerson wrote:
On Monday 17 December 2007 08:37:56 am Kevin Dupuy wrote:
Furthermore, as I mentioned on the "other" thread, I'm trying to figure out why Beagle takes up so much CPU and memory in some people's computers
I have no problem with beagle, and I find it a nice way to graphically search for things that I have misplaced. The only time I have trouble with it taking up a lot of my system is during the first run on a clean install, after that it waits until midnight to update its index on my desktop, which has a Intel Cereron D 3.33 Ghz processor and 512 MB ram 2 gig swap.
I'm also confused about the reported problems with Beagle. I'm using KDE with the Kerry search front end and it has zero impact on my PC use, but adds a lot of value when looking for many types of data. Emails from two years ago? Yep, I can find them in seconds. Contracts in OOo format, spreadsheets, instant messenger exchanges in Kopete - I can search them all in an instant with Kerry and Beagle. I can see how it could hog CPU with malformed files, initial searching of the disk (anyone tried Google desktop search? That doesn't take CPU time, but does things very, very slowly) and maybe when you've added a huge amount of indexable data in a single day, but it honestly doesn't impact my work, rather it adds to my productivity. While some user's setups might not be optimal for Beagle, I think there are a lot of people that like it, just like me. Cheers Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Monday 17 December 2007 16:47:31 Adam Jimerson wrote:
On Monday 17 December 2007 08:37:56 am Kevin Dupuy wrote:
Furthermore, as I mentioned on the "other" thread, I'm trying to figure out why Beagle takes up so much CPU and memory in some people's computers I have no problem with beagle, and I find it a nice way to graphically search for things that I have misplaced. The only time I have trouble with it taking up a lot of my system is during the first run on a clean install, after that it waits until midnight to update its index on my desktop, which has a Intel Cereron D 3.33 Ghz processor and 512 MB ram 2 gig swap.
I'm also confused about the reported problems with Beagle. I'm using KDE with the Kerry search front end and it has zero impact on my PC use, but adds a lot of value when looking for many types of data. Emails from two years ago? Yep, I can find them in seconds. Contracts in OOo format, spreadsheets, instant messenger exchanges in Kopete - I can search them all in an instant with Kerry and Beagle.
I can see how it could hog CPU with malformed files, initial searching of the disk (anyone tried Google desktop search? That doesn't take CPU time, but does things very, very slowly) and maybe when you've added a huge amount of indexable data in a single day, but it honestly doesn't impact my work, rather it adds to my productivity.
While some user's setups might not be optimal for Beagle, I think there are a lot of people that like it, just like me.
I think maybe my setup is what the problem is, I have Thunderbird with about 2Gigs of EMail including Server logs that I receive every morning, and some huge software lists. These messages are stored in huge MBox files, that are updated every 5 minutes when my machine Pops the server, but .. I have a dual core 64bit Turion L52 with 1.5 Gigs of memory and a 7200 RPM SATA disk. I was told that the Thunderbird plugin is not quite optimal yet, but, darn it, that's a lot of CPU and Memory as well as a good disk, performance should be better. Sorry, if it can't work well on that hardware, it shouldn't be in production. As someone else said, this is Linux not Windows, we are known for lean and mean software, this is just unacceptable, lets put performance before features! Gary B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHZvLS5BLKxPqBKDURAirwAJ9pQHhrEypa2AXWZn8dW+AflAX8gQCfTnel 7U97Ase9MHhy0/ujg9EB+pQ= =t9i8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 17 December 2007 14:06, Gary Baribault wrote:
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I think maybe my setup is what the problem is, I have Thunderbird with about 2Gigs of EMail including Server logs that I receive every morning, and some huge software lists. These messages are stored in huge MBox files, that are updated every 5 minutes when my machine Pops the server, but .. I have a dual core 64bit Turion L52 with 1.5 Gigs of memory and a 7200 RPM SATA disk. I was told that the Thunderbird plugin is not quite optimal yet, but, darn it, that's a lot of CPU and Memory as well as a good disk, performance should be better. Sorry, if it can't work well on that hardware, it shouldn't be in production. As someone else said, this is Linux not Windows, we are known for lean and mean software, this is just unacceptable, lets put performance before features!
You could always exclude your mailboxes (more precisely, the directory hierarchy within which they reside) from Beagle indexing. (Excluding folders or files by name pattern is called a "Privacy" feature, but it seems it could equally be used for performance purposes.) Also, for mailboxes that hold the archives of some high-volume mailing lists, I create separate sub-mailboxes coded (in their names) by time period. For very active lists, I need monthly archives. Others are quarterly or even annual. Doing this might also lower the amount of RAM required by Thunderbird.
Gary B
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On Tuesday 18 December 2007 05:52:32 Pete Connolly wrote:
On Monday 17 December 2007 16:47:31 Adam Jimerson wrote:
On Monday 17 December 2007 08:37:56 am Kevin Dupuy wrote:
Furthermore, as I mentioned on the "other" thread, I'm trying to figure out why Beagle takes up so much CPU and memory in some people's computers
I have no problem with beagle, and I find it a nice way to graphically search for things that I have misplaced. The only time I have trouble with it taking up a lot of my system is during the first run on a clean install, after that it waits until midnight to update its index on my desktop, which has a Intel Cereron D 3.33 Ghz processor and 512 MB ram 2 gig swap.
I'm also confused about the reported problems with Beagle. I'm using KDE with the Kerry search front end and it has zero impact on my PC use, but adds a lot of value when looking for many types of data. Emails from two years ago? Yep, I can find them in seconds. Contracts in OOo format, spreadsheets, instant messenger exchanges in Kopete - I can search them all in an instant with Kerry and Beagle.
I would agree with this. I don't use it all the time, but it's great when I know I have seen something before, but can't quite remember where or when, and can fire up Kerry and find it quickly. That's it real use for me, when I know I've seen something, but for the life of me can't remember where...
I can see how it could hog CPU with malformed files, initial searching of the disk (anyone tried Google desktop search? That doesn't take CPU time, but does things very, very slowly) and maybe when you've added a huge amount of indexable data in a single day, but it honestly doesn't impact my work, rather it adds to my productivity.
Hmmmm - so just _how_ productive are you now, Pete? ;-)
While some user's setups might not be optimal for Beagle, I think there are a lot of people that like it, just like me.
I really don't think (or hope) there are that many people just like you... Happy Christmas, Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stevens wrote:
Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one.
What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system? I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good idea to put that piece of $#@!& in any distro.
Or why anyone is brain damaged enough to even continue maintaining it, considering what an absolute failure it is (unless success is defined as "using up so much CPU and flooding the disks with so many I/O requests that the system is crippled." Perhaps beagle is actually a subtle psychology experiment -- to see how many people will tolerate system-crippling software to the point that Linux runs like Lose-DOS.
Fred
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On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 10:35 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Stevens wrote:
Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one.
What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system? I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good idea to put that piece of $#@!& in any distro.
Or why anyone is brain damaged enough to even continue maintaining it, considering what an absolute failure it is (unless success is defined as "using up so much CPU and flooding the disks with so many I/O requests that the system is crippled."
Perhaps beagle is actually a subtle psychology experiment -- to see how many people will tolerate system-crippling software to the point that Linux runs like Lose-DOS.
Fred
Or... why would anyone be brain-damaged enough to consider dumping a
program that realy makes Linux shine. When Beagle first came out, it was
Mac OS's Spotlight and Google Desktop. And IMHO, Beagle beat both of
them. We beat Windows to the punch.
Plus, Beagle is very useful. Don't believe me? Use it for a week when
you're doing heavy work.
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On Monday 17 Dec 2007, Stevens wrote:
Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one.
What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system? I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good idea to put that piece of $#@!& in any distro.
Fred
i think the first release was to give a reason for Mono to exist -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
ianseeks wrote:
On Monday 17 Dec 2007, Stevens wrote:
Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one.
What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system? I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good idea to put that piece of $#@!& in any distro.
Fred
i think the first release was to give a reason for Mono to exist
Mono would certainly explain why the computer runs so bad. I hope it's not contagious. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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ianseeks wrote:
i think the first release was to give a reason for Mono to exist
Mono would certainly explain why the computer runs so bad. I hope it's not contagious. ;-)
which makes more sense that the previous statement :^) - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHaHWrClSjbQz1U5oRAkB5AJ997wJ9iaFBJf/O+evpMdko/YQ9eQCfQrTt /enBjPjgZFJO7cFCLgKC3H4= =QUGl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 18 December 2007 15:10, ianseeks wrote:
On Monday 17 Dec 2007, Stevens wrote:
Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one.
What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system? I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good idea to put that piece of $#@!& in any distro.
Fred
i think the first release was to give a reason for Mono to exist
You mean that fspot program didn't do it? :P I'm not suprised at the lack of mono-based apps. Doesn't seem to be a huge hit anywhere. I tried the monodevelop package but gave up quickly. Netbeans was so much more refined. Though if they ever get Winforms working on .net 2.0 apps, I'd be happy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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