[opensuse] Trying to install LEAP from isoCD -- unable to access net -- but doesn't ask for proxy?
I have a client behind a gateway that provides access to the internet only through a proxy. Many or most pieces of software (ex. MS Windows when needed to activate itself, or a PC game "X-Blades" when needing to activate), when, not able to directly connect to IP addresses they were searching for, asked for proxy settings (either to detect and use system settings or select manual input of the proxy). In both of those two cases, selected auto-detect, and both picked up the local web-proxy (both the dhcpd server and proxy autodetect via wpad are configured). I tried to configure Leap 42.2 to access remote SW-Depot, but it says it can't access it -- but it still isn't asking for how to access the internet (i.e., proxy settings) or auto-detecting them. I also don't see any listed option on how to set the proxy settings. It seems the installer isn't auto-detecting proxy settings even though it had to receive them as it got an address via dhcp -- which are configure to inform the client of local services, like www-server, among other. Why doesn't the installer automatically "fail-over" to asking for one like MSwin-activation does or a $15 game? Maybe more importantly where do I click to set the proxy? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Linda Walsh wrote:
Why doesn't the installer automatically "fail-over" to asking for one like MSwin-activation does or a $15 game? Maybe more importantly where do I click to set the proxy?
---- FWIW, in the "Actions to be performed" window, the next to the last is "Saving proxy configuration"... Um... where did it get the proxy config, I don't recall seeing it as an option. Since I wasn't given a chance to enter a proxy configuration and since it seems obvious that it is wrong (it's unable to contact opensuse repos and I keep getting timeout messages w/it trying to connect to download.opensuse.org... (even though I tell it to skip -- it isn't skipping), why is it SAVING a proxy configuration??? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-09-22 01:24, Linda Walsh wrote:
Linda Walsh wrote:
Why doesn't the installer automatically "fail-over" to asking for one like MSwin-activation does or a $15 game? Maybe more importantly where do I click to set the proxy?
---- FWIW, in the "Actions to be performed" window, the next to the last is "Saving proxy configuration"...
Um... where did it get the proxy config, I don't recall seeing it as an option. Since I wasn't given a chance to enter a proxy configuration and since it seems obvious that it is wrong (it's unable to contact opensuse repos and I keep getting timeout messages w/it trying to connect to download.opensuse.org... (even though I tell it to skip -- it isn't skipping), why is it SAVING a proxy configuration???
You know that it is a Beta? Why don't you try with 42.1 to see what changes, if any, and then report in Bugzilla? I don't have a proxy setup, so I can't test your situation. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
22.09.2016 04:47, Carlos E. R. пишет:
On 2016-09-22 01:24, Linda Walsh wrote:
Linda Walsh wrote:
Why doesn't the installer automatically "fail-over" to asking for one like MSwin-activation does or a $15 game? Maybe more importantly where do I click to set the proxy?
---- FWIW, in the "Actions to be performed" window, the next to the last is "Saving proxy configuration"...
Um... where did it get the proxy config, I don't recall seeing it as an option. Since I wasn't given a chance to enter a proxy configuration and since it seems obvious that it is wrong (it's unable to contact opensuse repos and I keep getting timeout messages w/it trying to connect to download.opensuse.org... (even though I tell it to skip -- it isn't skipping), why is it SAVING a proxy configuration???
You know that it is a Beta?
Why don't you try with 42.1 to see what changes, if any, and then report in Bugzilla?
I don't have a proxy setup, so I can't test your situation.
I briefly tested Leap 42.1 installer run and there is no place where you can enter configure proxy (or it is well hidden). You are offered network setup if it cannot access repositories, but proxy is configured in different place. I do not remember if it was possible in the past. Unless someone can prove that proxy worked in previous versions this is not a bug but feature request. I would not hold my breath then.
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
I briefly tested Leap 42.1 installer run and there is no place where you can enter configure proxy (or it is well hidden). You are offered network setup if it cannot access repositories, but proxy is configured in different place.
yeah, I found it after I had the OS up from the install iso in yast.
I do not remember if it was possible in the past.
Unless someone can prove that proxy worked in previous versions this is not a bug but feature request. I would not hold my breath then.
--- Then why would they be saving my proxy config. They shouldn't be saving something they won't allow me to set... that's opening the can of worms right there, I'd think... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
22.09.2016 04:47, Carlos E. R. пишет:
On 2016-09-22 01:24, Linda Walsh wrote:
Linda Walsh wrote:
Um... where did it get the proxy config, I don't recall seeing it as an option. Since I wasn't given a chance to enter a proxy configuration and since it seems obvious that it is wrong (it's unable to contact opensuse repos and I keep getting timeout messages w/it trying to connect to download.opensuse.org... (even though I tell it to skip -- it isn't skipping), why is it SAVING a proxy configuration???
You know that it is a Beta?
Why don't you try with 42.1 to see what changes, if any, and then report in Bugzilla?
I don't have a proxy setup, so I can't test your situation.
I briefly tested Leap 42.1 installer run and there is no place where you can enter configure proxy (or it is well hidden). You are offered network setup if it cannot access repositories, but proxy is configured in different place.
I do not remember if it was possible in the past.
In the text mode, manual, the installer will ask you if you want to use a proxy as well as if it needs authentication. It's easy to provoke, I'll check what 42.2 says. Maybe it can be forced by starting with manual=1 ? Otherwise you can also enter the proxy config when you boot: proxy=http://foo:bar@proxy.example.com:3128 -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.0°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-09-22 01:24, Linda Walsh wrote:
Linda Walsh wrote:
Why doesn't the installer automatically "fail-over" to asking for one like MSwin-activation does or a $15 game? Maybe more importantly where do I click to set the proxy?
FWIW, in the "Actions to be performed" window, the next to the last is "Saving proxy configuration"...
You know that it is a Beta?
Not until I started the install... then I figured what the heck I'll reinstall w/42.1, though I don't see anyway to add a proxy setting until the OS is up and I go into yast.. Also couldn't get it to work with DHCP, -- it got an address ok, but it wouldn't autoconfig with that address -- not until I allocated a static address could I configure the eth0 port and access the outside net through the proxy.
Why don't you try with 42.1 to see what changes, if any, and then report in Bugzilla?
---- Yeah...
I don't have a proxy setup, so I can't test your situation.
Yeah, I always have a strange setup compared to many -- but point in earlier email is that 10 years ago when I had it, no one supported it for home sw installaton, but now MS supports it as well as many (though not most) game manufacturers.
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Linda Walsh wrote:
Not until I started the install... then I figured what the heck I'll reinstall w/42.1, though I don't see anyway to add a proxy setting until the OS is up and I go into yast..
Add proxy= as linuxrc argument when you boot.
Also couldn't get it to work with DHCP, -- it got an address ok, but it wouldn't autoconfig with that address -- not until I allocated a static address could I configure the eth0 port and access the outside net through the proxy.
We only use DHCP, I have not seen any issues in Leap421 and Leap422. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Why don't you try with 42.1 to see what changes, if any, and then report in Bugzilla?
There was no mention of a proxy in this version. It wasn't until late in the install when it tried going at the servers again, so will have to wait on that result. One thing that was noticeably better in 42.2 -- the guest tools that sync the mouse was in the graphical UI setup -- it's not in 42.1 -- so the GUI setup is harder to use w/2 mouse cursors on the screen that are spaced inches apart. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Linda Walsh wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Why don't you try with 42.1 to see what changes, if any, and then report in Bugzilla?
There was no mention of a proxy in this version.
I see it when I install with manual=1 or when it reverts to manual (e.g. due to a bad install url). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-09-22 09:49, Linda Walsh wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Why don't you try with 42.1 to see what changes, if any, and then report in Bugzilla?
There was no mention of a proxy in this version. It wasn't until late in the install when it tried going at the servers again, so will have to wait on that result. One thing that was noticeably better in 42.2 -- the guest tools that sync the mouse was in the graphical UI setup -- it's not in 42.1 -- so the GUI setup is harder to use w/2 mouse cursors on the screen that are spaced inches apart.
Yes, I thought, but was not sure, that guest tools were active in the 42.2 install. Very nice improvement. But in other versions what happens is that when you first click on the vmware window the mouse jumps to the actual location in the guest, which is different than on the host. Once inside the window, there is only one mouse. At least in vmware. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, I thought, but was not sure, that guest tools were active in the 42.2 install. Very nice improvement. But in other versions what happens is that when you first click on the vmware window the mouse jumps to the actual location in the guest, which is different than on the host. Once inside the window, there is only one mouse. At least in vmware.
Wasn't that way using VirtualBox. To be clear about the proxy issue -- in 42.1, it wasn't as much of a problem even though it was blocked. Reasons: 1) In 42.2 it kept trying to contact that remote site and had to wait for timeout each time. 2) It *said* it was storing the proxy settings as part of the install process report displayed in a window. 3) When I hit "continue" (instead of "retry") in 42.2, it seemed to do "retry" instead. I finally had abort. Oh well, it is a beta! ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Linda Walsh wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, I thought, but was not sure, that guest tools were active in the 42.2 install. Very nice improvement. But in other versions what happens is that when you first click on the vmware window the mouse jumps to the actual location in the guest, which is different than on the host. Once inside the window, there is only one mouse. At least in vmware.
Wasn't that way using VirtualBox.
To be clear about the proxy issue -- in 42.1, it wasn't as much of a problem even though it was blocked. Reasons: 1) In 42.2 it kept trying to contact that remote site and had to wait for timeout each time. 2) It *said* it was storing the proxy settings as part of the install process report displayed in a window. 3) When I hit "continue" (instead of "retry") in 42.2, it seemed to do "retry" instead. I finally had abort.
I'm not sure what your proxy issue is, but yesterday I installed leap422 using our proxy, no problems. Wrt (2), I think this is normal, even when there is no config to be stored. I'm pretty certain I see the same for the "firewall settings", although I don't install a firewall. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Linda Walsh wrote:
To be clear about the proxy issue -- in 42.1, it wasn't as much of a problem even though it was blocked. Reasons: 1) In 42.2 it kept trying to contact that remote site and had to wait for timeout each time. 2) It *said* it was storing the proxy settings as part of the install process report displayed in a window. 3) When I hit "continue" (instead of "retry") in 42.2, it seemed to do "retry" instead. I finally had abort.
I'm not sure what your proxy issue is, but yesterday I installed leap422 using our proxy, no problems. Wrt (2), I think this is normal, even when there is no config to be stored. I'm pretty certain I see the same for the "firewall settings", although I don't install a firewall.
How did it find your proxy? Did it ask you for it, detect it somewhere? I assume there was no direct route (or NAT-forwarded route) from the machine you installed on to the internet...? In the two cases pieces of SW that did detect proxy settings recently (besides browsers, which seem to pick up on auto-proxies (wpad) only when told to "auto-detect" -- which seems, a bit, oxymoronic, BTW, e.g. *manually* configuring auto-detect, :^/ ), one was told to use system settings, the other asked for the proxy settings in a custom pop-up. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Linda Walsh wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Linda Walsh wrote:
To be clear about the proxy issue -- in 42.1, it wasn't as much of a problem even though it was blocked. Reasons: 1) In 42.2 it kept trying to contact that remote site and had to wait for timeout each time. 2) It *said* it was storing the proxy settings as part of the install process report displayed in a window. 3) When I hit "continue" (instead of "retry") in 42.2, it seemed to do "retry" instead. I finally had abort.
I'm not sure what your proxy issue is, but yesterday I installed leap422 using our proxy, no problems. Wrt (2), I think this is normal, even when there is no config to be stored. I'm pretty certain I see the same for the "firewall settings", although I don't install a firewall.
How did it find your proxy? Did it ask you for it, detect it somewhere?
I added it as a linuxrc argument "proxy=http://proxy.local.net:3128" at boot time.
I assume there was no direct route (or NAT-forwarded route) from the machine you installed on to the internet...?
There was a direct route, IPv6-only. How is that significant?
In the two cases pieces of SW that did detect proxy settings recently (besides browsers, which seem to pick up on auto-proxies (wpad) only when told to "auto-detect" -- which seems, a bit, oxymoronic, BTW, e.g. *manually* configuring auto-detect, :^/ ), one was told to use system settings, the other asked for the proxy settings in a custom pop-up.
The latter sounds like what happens if you specify an invalid URL with "install=" - that'll make the installer switch to manual mode, which will make it ask if you want to use a proxy. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.7°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Linda Walsh wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Linda Walsh wrote:
To be clear about the proxy issue -- in 42.1, it wasn't as much of a problem even though it was blocked. Reasons: 1) In 42.2 it kept trying to contact that remote site and had to wait for timeout each time. 2) It *said* it was storing the proxy settings as part of the install process report displayed in a window. 3) When I hit "continue" (instead of "retry") in 42.2, it seemed to do "retry" instead. I finally had abort. I'm not sure what your proxy issue is, but yesterday I installed leap422 using our proxy, no problems. Wrt (2), I think this is normal, even when there is no config to be stored. I'm pretty certain I see the same for the "firewall settings", although I don't install a firewall.
How did it find your proxy? Did it ask you for it, detect it somewhere?
I added it as a linuxrc argument "proxy=http://proxy.local.net:3128" at boot time.
I assume there was no direct route (or NAT-forwarded route) from the machine you installed on to the internet...?
There was a direct route, IPv6-only. How is that significant?
In the two cases pieces of SW that did detect proxy settings recently (besides browsers, which seem to pick up on auto-proxies (wpad) only when told to "auto-detect" -- which seems, a bit, oxymoronic, BTW, e.g. *manually* configuring auto-detect, :^/ ), one was told to use system settings, the other asked for the proxy settings in a custom pop-up.
The latter sounds like what happens if you specify an invalid URL with "install=" - that'll make the installer switch to manual mode, which will make it ask if you want to use a proxy.
It was a game running under windows, so I doubt it has anything to do with the settings on the linux boot args. I had no indication by the time it looked for the network that I would have need me to reboot and enter a URL on the boot line. That's not a reasonable expectation of someone booting from from an install disk. Re: the ipv6 route -- depends on whether or not the install disk did ipv6-auto-address allocation via neighbor discovery, and whether or not the distro-ip you were accessing supported ip. I.e. possible, but likely? I dunno. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Linda Walsh wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Linda Walsh wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Linda Walsh wrote:
To be clear about the proxy issue -- in 42.1, it wasn't as much of a problem even though it was blocked. Reasons: 1) In 42.2 it kept trying to contact that remote site and had to wait for timeout each time. 2) It *said* it was storing the proxy settings as part of the install process report displayed in a window. 3) When I hit "continue" (instead of "retry") in 42.2, it seemed to do "retry" instead. I finally had abort. I'm not sure what your proxy issue is, but yesterday I installed leap422 using our proxy, no problems. Wrt (2), I think this is normal, even when there is no config to be stored. I'm pretty certain I see the same for the "firewall settings", although I don't install a firewall.
How did it find your proxy? Did it ask you for it, detect it somewhere?
I added it as a linuxrc argument "proxy=http://proxy.local.net:3128" at boot time.
I assume there was no direct route (or NAT-forwarded route) from the machine you installed on to the internet...?
There was a direct route, IPv6-only. How is that significant?
In the two cases pieces of SW that did detect proxy settings recently (besides browsers, which seem to pick up on auto-proxies (wpad) only when told to "auto-detect" -- which seems, a bit, oxymoronic, BTW, e.g. *manually* configuring auto-detect, :^/ ), one was told to use system settings, the other asked for the proxy settings in a custom pop-up.
The latter sounds like what happens if you specify an invalid URL with "install=" - that'll make the installer switch to manual mode, which will make it ask if you want to use a proxy.
It was a game running under windows, so I doubt it has anything to do with the settings on the linux boot args.
Sorry, I thought you had some install-time proxy issue (judging by $SUBJ).
I had no indication by the time it looked for the network that I would have need me to reboot and enter a URL on the boot line. That's not a reasonable expectation of someone booting from from an install disk.
If you need/want to use a proxy, you can also just use "manual=1" at boot-time, that'll make the installer ask for the proxy, proxy-port and proxy-uid/pwd.
Re: the ipv6 route -- depends on whether or not the install disk did ipv6-auto-address allocation via neighbor discovery,
It does both - either SLAAC or DHCP.
and whether or not the distro-ip you were accessing supported ip.
http://download.opensuse.org is fine with IPv6, in fact you can easily do the entire install on ipv6-only. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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